Ep279: John Huston (Stomatopod)Ep279: John Huston (Stomatopod)

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John Huston is the guitarist and singer for Chicago power-trio STOMATOPOD, who are releasing their 3rd record Competing with Hindsight. We get into a little of each of the Stomatopod records, the history of the band, the Pawners Society and lots more. 

Ep278: Kim Coletta (Jawbox, Desoto)Ep278: Kim Coletta (Jawbox, Desoto)

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Well, hey, hey! It is the incredible Kim Coletta of Jawbox. A free ranging discussion about covid times, revisiting old material, holding the angle while the guitars do crazy things and a whole lot more. Covid kids, picking material for new shows, breaking news that can’t be broke (finger to the lip), Bill leaving and Brooks coming in and why WON’T COME OFF should absolutely be in all of the Jawbox live sets. A far ranging discussion with a consummate badass that also touches just a wee bit on the incredible DeSoto records.

Ep277: Protonic Reversal – Top 21 of 2021: Best Records of the Year.Ep277: Protonic Reversal – Top 21 of 2021: Best Records of the Year.

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(*2020 release omitted from last years list)Spotify playlist (all but christian fitness), lists for previous years.

Ep276: William Goldsmith (Sunny Day Real Estate, Foo Fighters, Assertion)Ep276: William Goldsmith (Sunny Day Real Estate, Foo Fighters, Assertion)

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William Goldsmith is the incredible drummer for Sunny Day Real Estate, The Fire Theft and now… Assertion, he was also in the original lineup of the Foo Fighters with SDRE bandmate Nate Mendel and it wasn’t the nicest time. Hear all about creating and playing at a furious pace in Assertion. Number songs! “Make it pink!”, the weirdness of playing late night shows with such personal music, cumulative loss and isolating from everybody. Making amends after many years and so much more. Dave, call the man.  

Ep275: Ken Andrews (Failure, Year of the Rabbit, Producer)Ep275: Ken Andrews (Failure, Year of the Rabbit, Producer)

 

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WILD TYPE DROID! That’s right, new Failure record suckers.. song by song breakdown of it, as well as all the details of the weeks long improv sessions that made it , COMFORT, MAGNIFIED, FANTASTIC PLANET, THE HEART IS A MONSTER… all the things! Reconvening without being a nostalgia act. Deep dive into all of the FAILURE things, right? 

Ep274: John Mohr, Mike Greenlees, Tom Zaluckyj (TAR)Ep274: John Mohr, Mike Greenlees, Tom Zaluckyj (TAR)

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Well hey there, it is 3/4 of the mighty Tar! A deep dive into the discography, the mythos, the digging through shoeboxes for all of the awesome ephemera that led to The TAR Box Set (Vol. 1). Lots on reconvening, long (really long) distance practice, doing something that means a whole hell of a lot for some people, and more than a little discussion about various songs and song titles. 

Ep273: Kevin Whitley and Brent Prager (Cherubs)Ep273: Kevin Whitley and Brent Prager (Cherubs)

 

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2/3 of CHERUBS! Come on Protonic Reversal. Discussion of the “brand new” SLO BLO 4 FRNZ & SXY, 2 Ynfynyty, Icing, Immaculada High, The mighty HEROIN MAN, and using the studio to make something truly noisy and cool and IN THE RED, competing with yourself to make something worthwhile. How much coffee it ACTUALLY took to regroup the band? Realizing that it works. Why King Coffey of Butthole Surfers wasn’t a great fit on drums, but was a great fit as a label guy. Challenging yourself as a band and connecting with fans new and old. 

Ep272: Tim Quirk (Too Much Joy)Ep272: Tim Quirk (Too Much Joy)

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The incredible Tim Quirk is most known for the excellent and clever band, Too Much Joy. He’s also an excellent writer, and has been at the ground floor for a FEW stages of the digital music revolution. Bob Seger! The Incredible depths of “Seasons in the Sun.”  Witness as we discuss the many records of TMJ, including the NEW ONE “Mistakes Were Made” and the even NEWER one, 12 months of joy, which has the songwriting itself crowdsourced. As well as 2 Live Crew, LL Cool J, the major label rollercoaster, what constitutes goofy vs. serious music. Bozo the clown and all that stuff.

Ep271: Joe Carducci (SST Records, Author: Rock and the Pop Narcotic, Western Stories, Enter Naomi)Ep271: Joe Carducci (SST Records, Author: Rock and the Pop Narcotic, Western Stories, Enter Naomi)

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The amazing Joe Carducci has a new book of screen plays called Western Stories. We speak of that, as well as the timeless Rock and the Pop Narcotic, the greater history of the creation of independent distribution systems and the architecture for the American DIY world. We also get into the Velvet Underound (and doc!), stand-up comedy, Stone Male: Requiem for the Living Picture, Enter Naomi, the changes in rock criticism, journalism, musical availability and cultural gates and gatekeepers past and present (looking at YOU, Rolling Stone) and so much more. It’s a very freewheeling conversation

Ep270: Chris Murphy (Sloan, Tuns)Ep270: Chris Murphy (Sloan, Tuns)

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He’s back! He’s back! After episode 208‘s comprehensive rundown of Sloan’s career (so far) the mighty Mr. Murphy is back to tell us all about Tuns and Trans-Canada Highwaymen and fill in some of the spots we missed. the Hit and Run ep (and the ACTUAL hit and run behind it), Silence Trumps Lies. Sloan on the OTHER Conan, a deep dive in Murder Records. Punk rock shows… Trailer Park Boys. Sloan: Founded in Fairness ™ and invested in each other. 

Ep269: Shannon Selberg (Heroine Sheiks, the Cows)Ep269: Shannon Selberg (Heroine Sheiks, the Cows)

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After episode 206‘s epic length discussion of the Cows, it is only fair to do a deep dive into the discography of the mighty Heroine Sheiks! Especially now that Out of Aferica  is being released on vinyl for the FIRST TIME. Hear how this very specific keyboard music came together as a NY band that was operating along with the Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Interpol and such. Shannon Selberg is a deep thinking and an interesting guy, let’s listen in on the man’s criminally ignored second act and lots, lots more. 

Ep268: Ben Verellen (Helms Alee, Verellen Amps, Harkonen)Ep268: Ben Verellen (Helms Alee, Verellen Amps, Harkonen)

 

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The Mighty Ben Verellen on Protonic Reversal at last. Conan and Ben talk a little about the Harkonen tour where they played along with a cd, layered harmonies, HA origin story, the 8/16 “Beavis and Butthead video”, as well as an album by album run through of the many wonderful Helms Alee records. Verellen Amplifiers! Bar House. ‘Tis a delight!

Ep267: Trevor Dunn (Mr. Bungle, Fantomas, SpermChurch)Ep267: Trevor Dunn (Mr. Bungle, Fantomas, SpermChurch)

 

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The relentless Trevor Dunn is back! This time with SpermChurch an international poly electro collaborative duo with electronic artist Sannety, releasing the brand new merdeka atau mati on his brand new label Riverworm Records. In this episode we discuss, growing up in Humboldt county and the origins of Mr. Bungle as well as the beginning and “cybernetic caveman” of the Raging Wrath of the Eastern Bunny demo. Fantomas origins, collaborations, and  a run through of Disco Volante, California, the Mr. Bungle s/t amongst others. RETROVERTIGO, jazz pick up bands and lots more. All of that and a whole lot about this fascinating new release and collaboration.

Ep266: Billy Gould (Faith No More)Ep266: Billy Gould (Faith No More)

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The return of the Faith No More bass man! The early (grubby) days, and a deep, deep dive into the FNM discography. The myth and reality of Chuck Mosley.  Rakija! Herzog and Kinski. Coming back to the band and all the various personalities. Kool Arrow! Last time we talked about MC50, Talking Book and (shockingly) Milk Cult, this is the detailed deep dive into the world of FNM you didn’t know you needed. 

Ep265: Tony Aguilar (All Souls, Totimoshi)Ep265: Tony Aguilar (All Souls, Totimoshi)

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All Souls is a fascinating newer band! Although he lives in Los Angeles now, running the excellent Eastside Rehearsal studios, Tony and Conan know each other from the bay area heavy/noisy rock world. All Souls is a bit of a different animal though. Hear all about their touring with the Jesus Lizard, Melvins and TOOL, the band’s origin story and concept. Erik Trammel and Matt Price! Whatever happened with Last Days of Ancient Sunlight? This episode has a good overview, if not totally comprehensive look at the Totimoshi discography. Some background on Tony’s… well… background. Rig Rundown! All that plus Tony’s tales of tour managing and road crewing bands like Neurosis, High On Fire, Melvins and more. 

Ep264: James Woodard (The Grasshopper Lies Heavy)Ep264: James Woodard (The Grasshopper Lies Heavy)

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San Antonio’s The Grasshopper Lies Heavy have been making uncompromising heavy music for over 10 years. They have a brand new one “A Cult That Worships a God of Death
out on Learning Curve Records. The record is examined on a song by song breakdown, as well as hearing more about splits with Gay Witch Abortion, touring Japan, what does and does not sell t-shirts and the hunt for tuning pegs in a foreign land. Get heavy, people! 

Ep263: Aaron Beam (Red Fang)Ep263: Aaron Beam (Red Fang)

 

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Pt 2! of Ep253’s Pt.1. Heavy focus on Only Ghosts and Ross Robinson, recording that record as a destination recording and then a detailed song by song breakdown of Arrows. Also taking bands on tour you like and paying it forward, deep dive on songwriting and lots more.

Ep262: Kira Roessler (Black Flag, Dos, Solo)Ep262: Kira Roessler (Black Flag, Dos, Solo)

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John Adams! Game of Thrones! Fury Road! Oscars and Emmys. The divided worlds of sound editing and music and a stunning career in a cool profession. Endurance contest BF practices. Instrumental Flag vs. with Vocals. Touring. Slip it in! Loose nut! Process of Weeding Out! DOS and Watt, Billie Holiday! Songwriting and idea jotting. The incredible story of Kira’s stolen (and recovered) bass. All of that and so very much more, Kira Also, Kira has a solo record coming out on Kitten Robot Records! Hey, it’s Kira, she’s an icon and a badass, dig in. 

Ep261: Johnny Temple (Girls Against Boys, Soulside, Fake Names, Akashic Books)Ep261: Johnny Temple (Girls Against Boys, Soulside, Fake Names, Akashic Books)

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The one and only Johnny Temple! Not just the low end master at the mighty Girls Against Boys, but also proprietor of the incredible Akashic Books. Getting book advice from Henry Rollins and 2.13.61, Black Sparrow Press and what is different from the music biz vs. the book biz. Lots of talk of the stylish and sly house of GvsB. The specialness of Kill the Sexplayer, Reconvening in Prague in 2017 for Scott McCloud’s birthday and a whole lot more. 

Ep260: Erica Dunn (Tropical Fuck Storm, Mod Con, Palm Springs)Ep260: Erica Dunn (Tropical Fuck Storm, Mod Con, Palm Springs)

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The iconic, unmistakable and mighty Erica Dunn of Mod Con and TFS stops in to chat many things musical, Covid and what not. The existential whiplash of hitting it hard on the road and playing music to the dead stop of the pandemic. Thrill to the brand new Mod Con single Ammo (and subsequent album!) and hear a bit about the tantalizingly mysterious new TFS album DEEP STATES. The path to playing music FOR REAL, playing live shows again, the origins of Palm Springs. What makes You Let My Tyres Down such a unique and cool song. Layers and layers, space in Mod Con and maximalism in TFS… all that and more, more, more!

Ep259: Dana Viloria (Wavebreaker, Turbo Lightning, Batwings Catwings)Ep259: Dana Viloria (Wavebreaker, Turbo Lightning, Batwings Catwings)

 

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Dana’s band Wavebreaker is an intersectional rock band centering the needs and lived experiences of girls, women, and femmes of color. A passionate advocate for progressive politics, Wavebreaker is explicitly political, pointed and ready to rock in the name of freedom and equality. Enter: Interdependence. Formed from the excellent Batwings Catwings and featuring members of Turbo Lightning at the Mae-shi, listen in as Dana talks about the overall game plan and strategy of walking the walk politically while still making great tunes, standing rock, rocking while being a female POC, skating and lots more. 

Ep258: Lindsey Charles (the Cell Phones)Ep258: Lindsey Charles (the Cell Phones)

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One of Conan’s favorite front people in music returns to Protonic Reversal. The incredible and inimitable Lindsey Charles of The Cell Phones. Direct and honest lyricism, powerful presentation and the incongruity of a spazzy band with great pop hooks. Lesley Gore is discussed, Halloween albums, and a little bit of each one of the the three full lengths this uncompromising and badass band has released. INCLUDING 2020’s Best 20 of 2020 NUMBER ONE RECORD, Battery Lower. Song by song!

Lindsey Charles! 

Ep257: Steve Pike (Exhalants)Ep257: Steve Pike (Exhalants)

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Exhalants are a great band from Texas. 2020’s ATONEMENT was on the Protonic Reversal Top 20 of 2020. We do a SONG BY SONG BREAKDOWN of that very record (RICHARD! LAKE SONG)… as well as a roundup of Exhalants live experiences, the first record, split with Pinko, the value of a live record during a pandemic that people cannot experience live music. Gentrification, local band bills and lots, lots more. 

Ep256: Dave Norwood (The Gary)Ep256: Dave Norwood (The Gary)

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The Gary have a new one out called FALLOW. Their first with drummer Anthony Castaneda. The long running Texas rockers have a unique sound and a unique voice. Check out bass player and singer Dave Norwood talk about taking the leap towards singing *AND* playing, what starts in the head vs. how the song turns out. Literary catnip. Chub, dust bowl, taprooms, “the Well(tm)”, National Parks, Valhalla! Fair Weatherer! Call The Dogs! All that stuff and lots, lots more. Including a song by song breakdown of the latest near the end. The Gary is a unique and iconically American band. It’s about dang time Dave was on. 

Ep255: Dave Leto (Rye Coalition)Ep255: Dave Leto (Rye Coalition)

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Rye has an amazing arc! From sweaty basement post-hardcore/noise rock rippers, to anthemic big rock power houses. Much of this is outlined in the excellent documentary “Rye Coalition: The Story of the Hard Luck 5“, but listen in as Dave talks about everything from splits with KARP and the LAST SHOW at Princeton, John Sherman… wasted, touring with Queens of the Stone Age and Foo Fighters all the way to hobnobbing with the rock ‘n roll elite and going for the brass ring. Through it all: the friendship is the through line. Along with some killer riffs. And stay tuned for a very revealing protonic exclusive!

Ep254: Mike Lust (Tight Phantomz, Lustre King, Solo)Ep254: Mike Lust (Tight Phantomz, Lustre King, Solo)

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The enigmatic rocker Mike Lust has a brand new record called Demented Wings. We go deep into a song by song breakdown of that record, as well as a lot about the legendary double album SILK PRISON by Tight Phantomz. Phantomz on Breaking Bad! Lustre King and about a million things more. 

Ep253: Aaron Beam (Red Fang)Ep253: Aaron Beam (Red Fang)

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The mighty Red Fang is back with a brand new record called ARROWS. Listen it as Aaron speaks with Conan about: Party Time to Red Fang,  Prehistoric Dog! Making a band that keeps the heavy, but spares the sextant, being handpicked by Metallica for Orion fest and still being able to be a little star struck. Thoughts on memories on the S/T, Murder the Mountains and Whales and Leeches and the in-depth story of Red Fang’s totally badass appearance on David Letterman. Also, check out PART 2!

Ep252: Chris Brokaw (Come, Codeine, The New Year, Martha’s Vineyard Ferries, Solo)Ep252: Chris Brokaw (Come, Codeine, The New Year, Martha’s Vineyard Ferries, Solo)

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From Come and Codeine, to The New Year and MVF, to his excellent solo albums, Chris Brokaw has done QUITE A BIT. In depth Codeine talk (the unreleased second record?!?), Come through the ages, The New Year origin and more, playing with Clint Conley of Mission of Burma in Consonant, the Martha’s Vineyard Ferries. So much! So much music talk. Oberlin! NY. All that plus a track by track run through of the excellent Puritan record that came out early this year. Let’s do it!

Ep251: Eric Fundingsland (“Why Am I Doing This?” Tour Documentary, The Bismarck)Ep251: Eric Fundingsland (“Why Am I Doing This?” Tour Documentary, The Bismarck)

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Eric of The Bismarck‘s comprehensive documentary on touring “Why Am Doing This?” has been setting the internet on fire! The harsh but hilarious focus on smaller bands, shared experiences, touring etiquette and where adventure can turn to compulsion and trauma. Eric and Conan get into all of the details of creating this wonderful document, what did and didn’t make it in. Unique challenges and pitfalls, and lots of other things. 

Ep250: Gerald Casale of DEVO interviews Conan NeutronEp250: Gerald Casale of DEVO interviews Conan Neutron

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Yes, you read that right. One of the founders of DEVO suggested turning the tables on Conan for the 7 Year and 250 episode milestone. What, we are going to say no? Although nobody could have predicted that Conan’s mother would be killed in a car crash that week. That is discussed, as well as what set Conan on his creative path. The complicated legacy and catalyst of Clay Wofford, the origin of Conan Neutron & the Secret Friends, Protonic in the time of COVID (a piece of wreckage after the shipwreck), getting on stage in front of people, the genius of Toshi Kasai and asking Dale Crover to be part of Conan Neutron & the Secret Friends. Lessons learned from all of that. New Conan Neutron & the Secret Friends plans, being too angry to write music. Hall monitors and following rules that don’t make sense. Getting out there and so much more. LOOK, it’s Jerry Casale of DEVO talking to Conan Neutron. Cool? Cool.

(PS: If you want to hear Gerald Casale talk about DEVO, check out: Part 1 and Part 2 of his award winning protonic appearances* and the Something for Everybody 10 year special. More DEVO than you can shake a stick at there.)

*no actual awards won.

Ep249: Hugo Burnham (Gang of Four)Ep249: Hugo Burnham (Gang of Four)

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Critical thinking. Ephemerality v. Timelessness, Getting drunk on far more expensive wine. Songs of the Free, tracking and revising songs for Return the Gift. Trading creative control vs. bigger bucks. Top of the Pops! (“You’re welcome Duran Duran”) EMI and Warner Brothers, SOLID GOLD and Another Day, Another Dollar. ANTHRAX! The theatre of beating up the microwave. The massive undertaking that is the breathtaking Gang of Four box set 77-81, the tension of Entertainment! and the Band of Brothers of classic Gang of Four, URGH! A music war, PARALYZED, The passing of Andy Gill. Possible new Gang of Four activity. The should have been hit of To Hell With Poverty. Custom Premier kits and A&R. RtJ, Frank Ocean.

Ep248: Greg Norton (Hüsker Dü, Gang Font, Porcupine)Ep248: Greg Norton (Hüsker Dü, Gang Font, Porcupine)

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Power trios! New Day Rising (by Robert Palmer), The upcoming LIVE Husker album HÜSKER DÜ – LONGHORN TONIGHT-Double Album (protonic exclusive), the Savage Young Dü box set. The Mustache. The Great Gildersleeves show and the Replacements not getting paid. Album by album HD memories, Zen Arcade rock opera, 2 track live Reoccuring Dreams. and the Minutemen. Ice Cold Ice, major labels, Hüsker Düdes, Gang Font aging like fine wine and Porcupine.

Holy moly! It is Greg Norton. 

Ep247: Mick Harvey (Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, The Birthday Party, PJ Harvey, Solo Artist)Ep247: Mick Harvey (Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, The Birthday Party, PJ Harvey, Solo Artist)

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The ultimate utility player arrives at the protonic reversal. Anita Lane. Serge Gainsbourg interpretations and covers, Autoluminescent and the many aspects of the mighty Rowland S. Howard. THE BIRTHDAY PARTY! Junkyard and not rounding off the corners. Murder Ballads! Red Right Hand! The somewhat contentious Henry’s Dream (and the eventual 5:1 mix and reissue?), The purposeful playing in PJ Harvey’s live band (assembled by personality as much as skill) and so very, very much more. Look: Mick Harvey has done it all. Let’s sit back and appreciate it, right?

Ep246: Craig Wedren (Shudder to Think)Ep246: Craig Wedren (Shudder to Think)

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New single, in a very S2T style fashion. You can blame the Marshall for that. My 90s and photographic time travel. Music cues for Reno 911, composition. Videos and vision. HIT LIQUOR as one of the finest “statement of intent” openers of any album. Shudder as the kind of band that played with fugazi and Pearl Jam. The high water mark of Higher and Higher (Wet Hot American Summer), and the Bowie like brilliance of Maxwell Demon (Velvet Goldmine), the timeliness and necessity of The Sabbath Sessions, all that and MUCH, MUCH MORE!

Ep245: Eugene Robinson (Oxbow, Whipping Boy)Ep245: Eugene Robinson (Oxbow, Whipping Boy)

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The mighty Eugene Robinson returns… after…140+ episodes and 4 years? We talk about Oxbow signing with IPECAC for the new record, his recent substack writing, a whole lot about the monumental Oxbow record Thin Black Duke and the Thin Black Book. The difference between BECOMING and being, playing OXBOW music and many other things. We get into the tale of BLACK FACE with Chuck Dukowski of Black Flag, Diamonda Galas capsule reviews and tons more. 

Ep244: Elisha Wiesner (The Martha’s Vineyard Ferries, Kahoots)Ep244: Elisha Wiesner (The Martha’s Vineyard Ferries, Kahoots)

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Fookin’ Ferries are back with a kick ass full length record “Suns Out Guns Out“. Hear a bit about being a geographically disparate outfit, playing Brokaw chords, not thinking too hard about what the band sounds like, just sounding like it, the many ways a Ferries song comes together, Greens Fees, and a full on song by song breakdown of the new MVF record.

Ep243: Tim Cedar (Part Chimp)Ep243: Tim Cedar (Part Chimp)

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Silly riffs and other such tales. The mighty Part Chimp have a brand new record DROOL, available on Wrong Speed in the UK and Europe and on Learning Curve Records in the US. We go through Drool song by song, and talk of Truman’s Water, Live shows, being a cultural magpie. Part Chimp play along videos, sci-fi album covers and having some time to actually write lyrics ahead of time. Lyric book and all! Tune it down to B and listen in. 

Ep242: David Yow (The Jesus Lizard, Scratch Acid)Ep242: David Yow (The Jesus Lizard, Scratch Acid)

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It is the one and only David Yow! Singer and frontman of The Jesus Lizard and Scratch Acid. Part time singer of Flipper, Qui… and star of stage and screen! Look, look, look, so much to get to here. We talk about acting. Also, since it is the 30th anniversary of The Jesus Lizard – Goat we go in depth into that record SONG BY SONG. Is Monkey Trick the best Jesus Lizard song? All that, Get Shorty, blues covers of TJL and lots and lots more.

Ep241: Andrew “Falco” Falkous (mclusky, Future of the Left, Christian Fitness)Ep241: Andrew “Falco” Falkous (mclusky, Future of the Left, Christian Fitness)

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Yes, yes! The unmistakable Falco returns to Protonic Reversal. We talk about GATEWAY BAND, the new mclusky* live record that comes with a demo of things to come. Creating and the act of creating. SONGS! SONGS! SONGS! More songs than a song convention? SING IT. They may be ones you may or may not get to hear. Christian Fitness, Future of the Left, back issues. Shipping records. Cardiff –> London —> Bristol. Kelson the dentist. Look, look… the man has been on at least 7 times over the years. There’s a good reason. A DELIGHTFUL CHAT. Chock full of delight, really.

Ep240: Cheshire Agusta (Stinking Lizaveta)Ep240: Cheshire Agusta (Stinking Lizaveta)

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Cheshire Agusta is a powerhouse drummer and living legend. The long running, uncompromising and utterly relentless Stinking Liz are the pride of West Philly and known the world over. Listen in as this relentless master of the drums and paragon of live performance breaks down the musical conversation where everybody is talking, all of the different exciting drum minutia you might imagine and so very much more. This is a far ranging conversation, and that’s without the antics of Dr. Fly. 

Ep239: Matt Parish (Stuffed Spider, Ho-Ag)Ep239: Matt Parish (Stuffed Spider, Ho-Ag)

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It is the incomparable Matt Parish! Once front fella, guitarist and singer for the much loved Boston Noiserock band HO-AG, Matt relocated to Nashville, TN and has now put out a field recording/soundtrack style album of composed songs out as Stuffed Spider. Listen in to hear about THAT transition, keeping yourself engaged when you are the only bandmate and some distanced forensics on the very well earned weirdness of the mighty Ho-Ag who meant quite a bit to the people it meant something to. 

Ep238: Greg Saunier (Deerhoof)Ep238: Greg Saunier (Deerhoof)

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Well hey! It is the third round with Greg Saunier of the incredible and iconic Deerhoof. We left things off last time with just arriving at the Ed Rodriguez era. This episode here is a detailed run through of everything from Offend Maggie to Future Teenage Cave Artists and Love-Lore. 2008-2020. Scorsese’s Vinyl, Awkwafina, installations, the many moods of distance recording. PHEW! All the excellent Deerhoof deets you can shake a shake at.

Ep237: Rick Froberg (Hot Snakes, Drive Like Jehu, Pitchfork, Obits)Ep237: Rick Froberg (Hot Snakes, Drive Like Jehu, Pitchfork, Obits)

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Rick Froberg is a fantastic vocalist, rock ‘n roll front man and a HELL of a visual artist. Join in for a very free wheeling conversation while we talk about, well… all of his various bands, as well as punk rock t-shirt bootleggers, Wire, Metallica, LUAU, Jehu reunions, Rocker blocks, Hot Snakes 1st and 2nd times, Obits and so many, many other things. Come on! Rick Froberg, people!

Ep236: John Hastie and Robert Gomez (Nonagon)Ep236: John Hastie and Robert Gomez (Nonagon)

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The mighty NONAGON of Chicago has a new record called They Birds. It isn’t an ep, it is an actual, honest to goodness full length record. It is also a corker! Listen in as we go through the origin of the band, the ever awesome People Live Everywhere and the Last Hydronaut and an in-depth song by song discussion of the new album. Delightful fellas and a delightful talk. #wherestony

Ep235: Samantha Paulsen (We Versus The Shark, Mean Queen, Man… or Astro-Man?)Ep235: Samantha Paulsen (We Versus The Shark, Mean Queen, Man… or Astro-Man?)

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Sam Paulsen (Aka: Avona Nova, Sam Shark, etc.) is a fantastic guitarist, singer and songwriter. Most known for being Athens Rock Royalty(TM), she recently pulled up stakes and moved to Bellingham, Washington. Listen is as we talk about reconvening with WVTS, and writing an awesome reunion/comeback record just in time for the pandemic. The rewards and emotional stress of her day job as a nurse during COVID, not being motivated to play guitar. Joining up with MOAM? and going from a fill in member, to a full fledged member. Wild shows, low ceilings, funny times in São Paulo and also a song by song breakdown of Goodbye Guitar by We Versus the Shark. 

Ep234: Silkworm’s FIREWATER at 25 (with Tim Midyett)Ep234: Silkworm’s FIREWATER at 25 (with Tim Midyett)

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SILKWORM – Firewater! An iconic record at 25. Listen in as Tim Midyett returns to Protonic Reversal to tell stories of every song on this remarkable album. Lyrics, parts, memories, recordings, minutia! 

Ep233: Page Hamilton (Helmet, Band of Susans)Ep233: Page Hamilton (Helmet, Band of Susans)

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The man behind the mighty Helmet should need no introduction. Multiple time signatures in the same song and boobs on TV. DROP D. Influence and influencing. ESPs and the Beatles (four geniuses). Prong. AC/DC and Branca! Harsh criticisms and nasty things that can’t be unsaid. Image and the Gold Rush 90s. STRAP IT ON to MEANTIME to BETTY. Composing music for film and tv vs. for a band. SOUNDTRACKING. Taking Playing in David Bowie’s band and the amazing “Hangover Hamilton.” story.

Ep232: Danielle de Picciotto (Hackedepicciotto, Solo Artist)Ep232: Danielle de Picciotto (Hackedepicciotto, Solo Artist)

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It’s been a bit since Danielle has been on the show. Her band, the perpetually touring Hackedepicciotto with Alexander Hacke of Einstürzende Neubauten came on right as COVID was starting up. She has a new solo record called The Element of Love that just came out on Valentine’s Day. Listen in as Conan and Danielle examine the record song by song and get into depth on everything from workflow and mindset, coin-operated trees and the moon looming large. 

Ep231: Mike Hard (God Bullies, Thrall, They Never Sleep)Ep231: Mike Hard (God Bullies, Thrall, They Never Sleep)

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God Bullies: legend to some and nearly unknown to others. A unpredictable and engaging rock band whose besuited frontman, Mike, seemed to be coming apart from the inside. Here we talk about conspiracies, building stories around the music (Tommy Shannon, David Livingstone, etc.), and crafting lyrics to weave tales through the madness. The FULL story behind “Pretty on the Inside” on Kill the King, some assorted vignettes of the God Bullies catalog, Some Thrall talk, and They Never Sleep, revisiting old material while not looking too far back to the past. All of this along with the pranksterism of one Ron Asheton on the set of Mosquito, and so much more. It is Mike Hard! REJOICE. 

Ep230: Dale Crover (Melvins, Redd Kross, Dale Crover Band)Ep230: Dale Crover (Melvins, Redd Kross, Dale Crover Band)

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Well hey, hey! It’s none other that the mighty Dale Crover of Melvins returning to Protonic Reversal after 75 episodes or so. Dale has an awesome new solo album called Rat-A-Tat-Tat! on Joyful Noise full of rock ‘n roll goodness and is fresh off the first installment of Melvins TV (Next episode up now!

We go in depth through every song on the record, with deviations here and there as well as the new Melvins 1983 album “Working With God“, after that… DCB talk, Hostile Ambient Takeover reissue, Redd Kross, cover songs and setlist choices, Lysol, Leif Garrett, Wayne Kramer and… yeah, yeah. Lots of other stuff. 

Come listen to one of rock’s greatest drummers, and member of Redd Kross, Shrinebuilder, Altamont (yeah, yeah and Conan Neutron & the Secret Friends) and so much more dish it all out.

Ep229: Scott Evans (Kowloon Walled City)Ep229: Scott Evans (Kowloon Walled City)

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It has been awhile since Scott was on Protonic last! (just shy of 5 years!) With a new KWC/Ken Mode/Shallow North Dakota benefit split release for SND’s Tony Jacome (who has stage 4 pancreatic cancer), there’s a lot to talk about. Each Kowloon Walled City album is discussed in depth, as well as studio and recording ideas and tactics, pedal building, collaborations and splits, quarantimes and assembly lines and lots, lots more. “Don’t bend notes and don’t play the little box pattern”

Ep228: Jeff Byron (Wavebreaker, the Mae Shi, Turbo Lightning)Ep228: Jeff Byron (Wavebreaker, the Mae Shi, Turbo Lightning)

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Making the move to politically oriented music with Wavebreaker. A slow and careful gestation period for a new band. and a possibly unorthodox method for getting it to people. Amplifying voices (figuratively and literally) The privilege of punk rock, being challenge by Slim Moon of Kill Rock Stars to be more political, The Mae-Shi! “Surprise music!”, “We Do This All the Time”, putting on a show, Terrorbird and Hllyh. Sobriety becoming a force multiplier for creativity. Composition, sound design and commercial music work… Writing the worst possible thing on purpose (to get to something good). Making a podcast as an avenue to learn more about crypto currency. Starting podcasts and starting an app (BandcasT) to make PODCASTING EASIER. All this and SO. MUCH. MORE. with this wildly creative fella. 

Ep227: Joe Mcclune (RLND)Ep227: Joe Mcclune (RLND)

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RLND (Formerly Roland) is a wonderful SF Bay Area (and beyond) instrumental band with a great new record called Zealand. While their previous record evoked bands like Breadwinner and the Fucking Champs, the new one is more psychedelic, layered and vibey. Join Joe and Conan as they go through each of the tracks on Zealand one by one, and also just generally speak to the journey of an independent band. To say nothing of line-up shifts, riffs, quarantimes and all the rest of it. 

Ep226: Josh Newton (Shiner, Glazed Baby, Season to Risk)Ep226: Josh Newton (Shiner, Glazed Baby, Season to Risk)

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The incredible Josh Newton hasn’t been on the show for a full episode since episode 79! That’s been almost 5 years. Oops! Lots has happened since then, not the least of which is Shiner recording and releasing their wonderful new record Schadenfreude. There is talk of that, the legacy and music of Shiner, some talk of Glazed Baby (RIP: Andy Newman), lots about Sie Lieben Maschinen, a touch about being a guitar tech/gear hound for a living and a few of “the hits” from last time. Such as playing with Fallout Boy in a field with a rotation stage and learning “Uptown Funk” and playing it on the BBC. It’s Josh Newton, he’s a delight… come on!

Ep225: Justin Pearson (The Locust, Dead Cross, Retox, Planet B, 31G)Ep225: Justin Pearson (The Locust, Dead Cross, Retox, Planet B, 31G)

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JP is relentless innovator in no compromise noisy business. Well known for the mighty band The Locust (Which didn’t sound anything like Crossed Out), you also may know Retox, or Planet B, or a little group with other members of doing their thing called Dead Cross. If you don’t know that, maybe Swing Kids! The mighty 31G. Busy fella that does a lot of cool stuff. Conan and Justin talk about a lot of things, bringing the DEVO into hardcore, Kool Keith memories that may not exist, soundtracking with beats that are and are not hard enough, some formative experiences in Tijuana, Extreme Elvis, John Waters, and tons and tons more.

Ep224: Chris Summerlin and Joe Thompson (Hey Colossus)Ep224: Chris Summerlin and Joe Thompson (Hey Colossus)

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Wot wot? It’s two of the fine fellows of Hey Colossus, Chris Summerlin and Joe Thompson. Dance/Curses, their THIRTEENTH record, is one of Conan’s favorites of 2020 and so a TransAtlantic quarantimes Protonic Reversal is the order of the day. THRILL to the sounds of every single song on this epic album gone over in forensic detail, DRINK every time Joe claims they won’t be playing one live, or you know… don’t. Fascinating record and band, lots of fun details and process, DIY, etc. Also, some needless (or NEEDED?) digressions into Soundgarden and mumble rap (?!?). Peace and love! Peace and love!

Ep223: The Tunnel (Jeff Wagner, Michael Jacobs, Sam Black)Ep223: The Tunnel (Jeff Wagner, Michael Jacobs, Sam Black)

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Well, look here! It’s SF dark and noisy rockers THE TUNNEL. Join a very special late night quarantimes edition of Protonic to hear these talented lads breakdown every track on their stellar Shapeshifter record (which appeared in the Top 20 of 2020 protonic reversal episode) as well as the Nightfall ep. Listen in to these innovative fellows speak to how they are staying creative during quarantine and where they fit in between the world of spooky death rock and grindy noisy rock. Ladies and gentlemen the hour groweth late, it is the tunnel!

Ep221: Brian Teasley (Man… or Astro-Man?, Servotron)Ep221: Brian Teasley (Man… or Astro-Man?, Servotron)

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It’s Birdstuff of MOAM? A noted raconteur and very funny man, oh yeah and a hell of a drummer! He runs a venue called the Saturn that “rips off” things he likes from other venues during years of touring. (A million dollar PA system costs a million dollars, and being nice is free).  There is talk of aliases, and being inspired by dislike. Sending out postcards to fans, touring the world playing music that isn’t exactly HARD SURF, while maintaining a longtime pre-social network connection with highly engaged fans. Reminding Joel Hodgson of the words to the MST3K theme song live, usage of samples to differentiate the songs and tune and stuff. Estrus to Touch and Go and getting darker in the process. Also hear about SERVOTRON playing with Dave Pirner. Starcrunch, Birdstuff and Steve Albini sharing a bed heated by TV dinners (oh yeah, and recording with him too) and sooooo much more. IT’S GO TIME!

Ep220: Eddie Rivas (Distorted Pony, Leopold)Ep220: Eddie Rivas (Distorted Pony, Leopold)

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Eddie and Conan go way back, all the way to Eddie’s late-90s, early 2000s “noise-rock band” Leopold. Plenty to talk about just with that, but he’s also a member of the reunited Distorted Pony(!). A much missed band from the halcyon days of weird music, and a band he was an unabashed fan of. How does one approach playing in one of your favorite bands and what does that look like? From tone to space, to practices with one member in a different state, european tours and everything in between, to being ready to ramp back up in 2020 and pump the brakes because of COVID. Get an insider’s look at this very specific set of parameters in cool noisy music with Eddie Rivas. 

Ep219: Darren Jackson (Kid Dakota)Ep219: Darren Jackson (Kid Dakota)

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It has been awhile since the enigmatic Darren Jackson (AKA: Kid Dakota) has been on Protonic Reversal. Last time was right after the reissue of So Pretty on vinyl, and before the sadly overlooked Denervation. This time it is a brand new record for 2020 (or at least a few weeks of it) Age of Roaches! We get into a song by song breakdown, as well as why some of this record has been kicking around for 14 years (!). Darren shares his process for working on the record and managing a day job teaching music, talk of dark lyrics, pastoral fetishism, and why is it that it might be inconvenient to the legend of Kid Dakota that he has continued making records. And in-depth look at an artist somehow shrouded in mystery and hiding in plain site. 

Ep218: Heather Smith (Bone and Bell)Ep218: Heather Smith (Bone and Bell)

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Heather Smith is Bone and Bell, an artist who sometimes has a band sometimes doesn’t. Her new record To a Cinder is something to behold. Orchestral Folk? Apocalyptic Americana? None of that does it justice. The songs are dark and true and quite compelling. She comes from a world of noisier music but expressed her art her way. Listen in on a song by song breakdown of the record, as well as the real life story of having to relearn to play completely after a major accident. Turning tragedy into triumph. An excellent visual artist and musician, this has been a long time coming. 

Ep217: Greg Saunier (Deerhoof)Ep217: Greg Saunier (Deerhoof)

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The mighty Greg Saunier of Deerhoof returns to Protonic Reversal! It has been over a year, and last time was pre-pandemic, uprising and election. Wow! Since we barely got through the first couple records last time with all the talk of San Francisco… this talk includes Defund the Police, and policing those that SAY Defund the Police, as well as all of the world events since then. It also gets us through  the Chris Cohen era of Deerhoof and (almost all of) the 2000s. Many fine tales, including DAVID BOWIE, Thom Yorke slam dancing and putting together samples in the most torturous and labor intensive way possible. Work/life balance. All that. A DEEP DIVE into Reveille, Apple O, Milk Man, Green Cosmos, Runners Four and a little bit about Friend Opportunity. 

Part1 and Part3!

Protonic Reversal – Top 20 of 2020: Best Records of the Year.Protonic Reversal – Top 20 of 2020: Best Records of the Year.

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#1 The Cell Phones – What You Would Do – Battery Lower

#2 Shiner – Life as a Mannequin – Schadenfreude

#3 Hum – In The Den – Inlet

#4 Reptoid – You Have Already Been Compromised – Worship False Gods

#5 Heads. – Push You Out to Sea – Push

#6 Kid Dakota – Age of Roaches – Age of Roaches

#7 Bone and Bell – Can’t – To a Cinder

#8 Coriky – Hard to Explain – Coriky

#9 New Primals – A Beast With Two Backs – Horse Girl Energy

#10 Liar, Flower – My Brain is Lit Like an Airport – Geiger Counter

#11 Mint Mile – Shy – Ambertron

#12 Exhalants – Richard – Atonement

#13 The Tunnel – Punisher – Shape Shifter

#14 We Versus The Shark – I Am Never Going Home for Chrismas Again – Goodbye, Guitar

#15 Dead – Remorse – Raving Drooling

#16 Waxeater – I Love Your Body, Larry – Extra Medium

#17 Mrs. Piss – Downer Surrounded by Uppers – Mrs. Piss

#18 Mr. Dude – USA Get Off My Dick – Killed by Life

#19 Erratic Retaliator Strategy – Daggers – Instructions

#20 Hey Colossus – Donkey Jaw- Dances/Cures

Listen to the songs as a playlist (minus the Mr. Dude song) at:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Z46P-zUFxRE

#1 The Cell Phones – What You Would Do – Battery Lower: Lindsey of the Cell Phones appears on Ep101 of Protonic Reversal.

#2 Shiner – Life as a Mannequin – Schadenfreude: Allen Epley of Shiner appears on Ep165 of Protonic Reversal. Josh Newton of Shiner appears on Ep76, Ep79, (briefly) in Episode 100 and Episode 226.


#3 Hum – In The Den – Inlet


#4 Reptoid – You Have Already Been Compromised – Worship False Gods Jordan Sobolew appears on Ep182

#5 Heads. – Push You Out to Sea – Push: Ed Fraser appears on Ep204


#6 Kid Dakota – Age of Roaches – Age of Roaches: Darren Jackson appears on Ep219 and Ep108


#7 Bone and Bell – Can’t – To a Cinder: Heather Smith appears on Ep218


#8 Coriky – Hard to Explain – Coriky: Ian Mackaye appears on Ep209


#9 New Primals – A Beast With Two Backs – Horse Girl Energy


#10 Liar, Flower – My Brain is Lit Like an Airport – Geiger Counter: KateJane Garside appears on Ep181


#11 Mint Mile – Shy – Ambertron Tim Midyett appears on Ep151, ep105 and Ep52

#12 Exhalants – Richard – Atonement


#13 The Tunnel – Punisher – Shape Shifter


#14 We Versus The Shark – I Am Never Going Home for Chrismas Again – Goodbye, Guitar


#15 Dead – Remorse – Raving Drooling
: Jem of Dead appears on Ep154

#16 Waxeater – I Love Your Body, Larry – Extra Medium Rob of Waxeater appears on Ep183, Elliot of Waxeater appears on Ep23

#17 Mrs. Piss – Downer Surrounded by Uppers – Mrs. Piss

#18 Mr. Dude – USA Get Off My Dick – Killed by Life: James of Mr. Dude appears on Ep69

#19 Daggers – Erratic Retaliator Strategy – Instructions

#20 Hey Colossus – Donkey Jaw- Dances/Cures: Chris and Joe of Hey Colossus appear on Ep224

HELLS BALLS – An AC/DC Round Table special, with Brian Walsby and Tony AshHELLS BALLS – An AC/DC Round Table special, with Brian Walsby and Tony Ash

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Welcome to a round table discussion on the rock band AC/DC, with Brian Walsby, Tony Ash and Conan Neutron. Album by album thoughts and breakdowns by three smart ass rock dudes that really like the band, but also appreciate their total absurdity.

HELLS BALLS! It is a protonic reversal special.

Ep216: Syd Butler (Les Savy Fav, 8G Band, Frenchkiss Records)Ep216: Syd Butler (Les Savy Fav, 8G Band, Frenchkiss Records)

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Formation of the 8G Band with Fred Armisen! Playing Late Night with Seth Meyers… guest drummers and adjustments. A new way of working and who does and does not have punk rock reference points. (Also, nobody cares if you don’t watch tv.) Les Savy Fav starting up with 3/5 and playing those songs years later, LSF, the Ft. Thunder house band.  Frenchkiss Records! the Cat and the Cobra, and obsessing about a sample. Toko Yasuda! ROME (written upside down), Playing with Shellac. The long history of the Inches 7″ single project, the puzzle and planning it from day one. Half the band writing hooks, half trying to tear it down. Go Forth! and trying to make things bloom on demand. Let’s Stay Friends, Root For Ruin and playing suites of cover songs where you are so behind the beat you get lapped for a live album. All this and much, much more in this very special Protonic Reversal.

Ep215: Tobias Nathaniel (The Red Step, The Black Heart Procession)Ep215: Tobias Nathaniel (The Red Step, The Black Heart Procession)

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San Diego rock royalty Tobias Nathaniel is known to most for being half of the core of the iconic and influential Black Heart Procession. Excavating the maudlin, somber and longing of the human spirit and defining a sound. Now he lives in Belgrade Serbia and makes lively rock music with The Red Step. There’s still a color, there’s still a movement. We speak of him being a guitar player known for playing piano the most, AC30s (no pedals!), his contribution on Blonde Redhead’s Melody of Certain Damaged Lemons and one of those songs becoming a famous piece of music in Rick and Morty, working with David J, why The Spell is his favorite Black Heart record, learning to sing in a band after many years of playing music (finding a voice) and lots, lots more!

Ep214: Greg Puciato (Solo Artist, Killer Be Killed, Black Queen, Dillinger Escape Plan)Ep214: Greg Puciato (Solo Artist, Killer Be Killed, Black Queen, Dillinger Escape Plan)

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Greg has a new record (Child Soldier: Creator of God)! It is under his own name and most of it doesn’t sound much like Dillinger Escape Plan. Listen in as Greg and Conan talk about how directors and actors aren’t expected to do the same thing but musicians are. Boxes and rooms. Doing things because you have something to say vs. wanting to be heard. Spotify, categories and other prisons.

The founding of Federal Prisoner and putting out records that way, vs with a major label or established indie label. Making the decision to release the record under the same name he pays his power bill under, and removing the shield of band identity. Playing Alice in Chains songs with Jerry Cantrell in small rooms without volume to back up anything, and playing with people that make you step your game up. The ending of Dillinger Escape Plan, the origin story of Killer Be Killed (who also have a new record out!), and lots, LOTS more. 

Ep213: Helios Creed (Chrome, Solo)Ep213: Helios Creed (Chrome, Solo)

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At LONG LAST! A conversation with one of the most mysterious and unsung guitar heroes of “weird music”. Listen in as Helios and Conan talk about taking inspiration from Hendrix and Sabbath live (and the acid), and making timeless records like Alien Soundtracks and Half Machine Lip Moves too. Model trains. The sad decline of Damon Edge, Overcoming illness and adversity, touring with Hawkwind members, common cause with Flipper and Dead Kennedys. Lactating Purple! Look: Helios has had an incredible career, and it is likely you aren’t familiar with all of it. So act accordingly.

Also, It is entirely likely that you will get a contact high from this episode. 

Ep212: Carina Round (Puscifer, Solo Artist)Ep212: Carina Round (Puscifer, Solo Artist)

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Puscifer has a new record called Existential Reckoning. Conan talks with Agent Round and discuss: Arcosanti (live at…), Chapman Sticks, Fairlights and “people doing weird shit”, contrasting ideas (Fake Affront). Live vs. record and serving the song, Bob Dylan. New and surprising. Lyrics. Accept songs. “It’s wrong and it’s right, and it’s Puscifier”. Doing the work, even when it is divine. Nick Cave! Tears for Fears (what, seriously?)

Listen in on this talented artist talking about process, mindset and worldview.

Ep211: Trey Spruance (Mr. Bungle, Secret Chiefs 3)Ep211: Trey Spruance (Mr. Bungle, Secret Chiefs 3)

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The Raging Wrath of the Easter Bunny Demo. Did anybody expect “new” Mr. Bungle? Did they expect it in this form? Well, SURPRISE!

The iconic guitar player and composer breaks down playing and recording songs written in high school in Humboldt with thrash heroes like Scott Ian and Dave Lombardo. Flexing different muscles on the lost Bungle “thrash record” and relearning those songs. The difference between the architect/director of a band like SC3, vs JUST being the guitarist. Repairing non-standard/esoteric instruments on the road. Time signatures that are not actually odd. Ches! Danny! Orthodox Theology and Byzantine Chant.

Oh yeah, and King for a Day… Fool for a Lifetime by Faith No More too.

All that and some high minded concepts, ideas and conception about composition, tones and what is and is not paint by numbers.

Listen in to THE GRAND INQUISTOR (Conan Neutron) break it down with Trey.

Ep210: DEVO – Something For Everybody 10 Year Song by Song Breakdown with Jerry CasaleEp210: DEVO – Something For Everybody 10 Year Song by Song Breakdown with Jerry Casale

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It has been 10 years since the release of the both groundbreaking and  still somewhat lesser known Something for Everybody. As with many things  DEVO, it came out just a little bit before its time. Sounding  purposefully “modern,” and focus group approved, the energy hats were  changed to the more pleasing color of blue, and everything from the  mastering to the song choice was meant to shine a light on the world of  music ala 2010.

Join us for a song by song breakdown, as well as a larger exploration  of this fascinating record, with founding DEVO member Jerry Casale. A  Protonic Reversal special.

Ep209: Ian Mackaye (fugazi, Coriky, the Evens, Minor Threat, Dischord)Ep209: Ian Mackaye (fugazi, Coriky, the Evens, Minor Threat, Dischord)

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AWESOME. Been wanting to do this talk for a long time. In this episode, you will find: Some talk about podcasts (on a podcast), Coriky! The ecosystem around record stores and pandemic logistics. Starting on piano and moving to bass and then guitar! Baritones! Suggestion! fugazi demos! Instrument (but just the jerks). Lack of interest in nostalgia.  Sitting down and standing back up, memes and mortality, Ian’s memory palace, being made into “content” and for what reason, some discussion on the psychological effect of social media and what you can and cannot control and some very thought provoking advice and perspective on maintaining sanity in crazy times. Be enCOURAGED and don’t give them your joy.

Ep208: Chris Murphy (Sloan)Ep208: Chris Murphy (Sloan)

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An incredible career in music and an incredible catalog of songs. Sloan are a force to be reckoned with, an instrument switching band with equal parts songwriting duties and cut of the money. Major label rollercoaster and continuing work long after, we get some sloan songwriting power rankings, some details about the recording of the various records (NAVY BLUES!) and a whole lot of the Chris Murphy ethos. Oh yeah, a little bit about Scott Pilgrim, listen in on a music lifer who has forged a unique path forward and continues to do really cool stuff. 

Ep207: Jimmy Watkins (Running Punks)Ep207: Jimmy Watkins (Running Punks)

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Running Punks! Punks! Running! It has become quite the phenom. Album reviews by a man running and shouting at his phone. An online community motivating people to run all around the world that have a shared interest in weird music. Jimmy also spent time in Future of the Left and the Vega Bodegas playing guitar, but this thing with the running seems to really connect to people. 

Turns out sticking to running isn’t such a bad thing after all.

Ep206: Shannon Selberg (the Cows, Heroine Sheiks)Ep206: Shannon Selberg (the Cows, Heroine Sheiks)

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Not just one of the most iconic and Idiosyncratic front men of all time, Shannon Selberg has stories for days. Being “the heel” in the scene/support slot, cover choices, forcing the audience to be in the moment, WALTZES, musical “jokes”, Thor’s non-euclidian geometry guitar work, and eating a major label rep’s business card. All that and a wee bit of Heroine Sheiks too. Draw yourself a marker mustache and dig in.

Ep205: Patrick Tape Fleming (Gloom Balloon, Poison Control Center)Ep205: Patrick Tape Fleming (Gloom Balloon, Poison Control Center)

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Patrick was 1/4 of the incredible Poison Control Center, an indie psych band that presented live as a HELL ASS ROCK BAND like the Who or something. In recent years he has done the more cerebral, and baroque multimedia (and mostly one man) band Gloom Balloon. Who has a new record. “Bergman Uses Bach To Get His Point Across, I Feel Like I Have Chosen Rock But At What A Cost”on Grand Phony. What better time to discuss “Why we do, what we do?” right?? It’s in the dang album title. Anyway, a far ranging discussion with the pride of Iowa. 

Ep204: Ed Fraser (Heads., Kino Motel)Ep204: Ed Fraser (Heads., Kino Motel)

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Ed started late in life, and moved to another continent to put together his dream band. He did and it is awesome. Heads. is a perfect exemplar of a working band that makes music far outside the mainstream that means a whole lot to who it is for. Great talk with a song by song breakdown of the most recent record “Push”.

Ep203: Patrick Ferguson (Crash and Ride, Five Eight, Pinky Doodle Poodle)Ep203: Patrick Ferguson (Crash and Ride, Five Eight, Pinky Doodle Poodle)

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The Crash and Ride Podcast is a unique and beautiful thing, uniquely dedicated to helping musicians survive depression and anxiety. We could JUST talk about that, but Patrick has also played in the incredible Five Eight, Pinky Doodle Poodle, the Powder Room, some incredible session work and… the Psychedelic Furs? Amazing. 

Listen in on and as we talk about the real life mental health struggles of musicians, artists and beyond and take a journey through this incredible drummer’s storied career. 

Ep202: Jeff Mueller (June of 44, Shipping News, Rodan)Ep202: Jeff Mueller (June of 44, Shipping News, Rodan)

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Jeff Mueller returns! The most recent June of 44 release: “Revisionist: Adaptations & Future Histories In The Time Of Love And Survival” is discussed, as well as heavy talk about Jo44 in general, Shipping News and the mighty RODAN! (like the live show that was put up on bandcamp last year) Dexterity Press as well. All this and Covid Life talk. Show me how you cut your face!

Ep201: Chris Williams (Maple Stave, Plastic Flame Press, The Operative)Ep201: Chris Williams (Maple Stave, Plastic Flame Press, The Operative)

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It is the 201st episode of Conan Neutron’s Protonic Reversal with the incredible Christopher Williams of Plastic Flame Press and Maple Stave. The creative and talented young man, who is launching the second season of his excellent interview podcast: The Operative.

Screen printing! Bands! Shows! WDYDWYD?!

Ep200! Brenna Betts! Josh Davis! “Why Do You Do What You Do?”Ep200! Brenna Betts! Josh Davis! “Why Do You Do What You Do?”

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It is the 200th episode! Conan has extended conversations with former cohosts Brenna Betts (ep: 7-88) and Josh Davis (ep95-129). As well as a montage of guests answering “Why do you what you do?” It is a very different and inward looking protonic reversal exploring the past of the very show itself!

Ep199: James Williamson (Iggy and the Stooges)Ep199: James Williamson (Iggy and the Stooges)

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RAW POWER, that should just be the description. But there’s a lot to James Williamson
beyond just the Stooges. including a great new record called Two to One with Deniz Tek of Radio Birdman. Awesome! We talk a LOT of Stooges, and a lot about more recent stuff. Including his dual life working in tech before picking the guitar back up with Iggy, in a world where the Stooges are viewed VERY differently. Listen in to a guitar PIONEER!

Ep198: Steve Von Till (Neurosis, Harvestman, Solo artist)Ep198: Steve Von Till (Neurosis, Harvestman, Solo artist)

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Steve Von Till has an excellent new solo record and book of poetry. We talk about that as well as the various works and path of Neurosis, Neurot, Harvestman vs. solo work, teaching, live at Pompeii, stone circles, punk rock, and lots, lots more. 

Listen in on an uncompromising artist that has forged his own path and has an unparalleled body of work. A great sense of self and a drive to push forward. 

Ep197: Ben Von Wildenhaus (Von Wildenhaus, Federation X)Ep197: Ben Von Wildenhaus (Von Wildenhaus, Federation X)

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Von Wildenhaus is a band, and it is the brainchild of a fella named Ben. Ben also played in the incredible (and wildly underrated) Federation X. Christmas albums! Making low key music compelling! The out of phase history of Federation X. All of that and lots more is talked about with this interesting bi-coastal musician who is forging his own path and scoring his own future. 

Ep196: Alain Johannes (Eleven, QOTSA, Desert Sessions, PJ Harvey, Producer)Ep196: Alain Johannes (Eleven, QOTSA, Desert Sessions, PJ Harvey, Producer)

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A living legend! That’s what Alain Johannes is, either you know or you don’t. An incredible player that has lived an incredible life, you have heard Alain’s work in many, many key records. At long lost: Alain and Conan break it all down for you. Including some quantum mechanics talk. Sha-MEN, or Sha-MON?

Ep195: Buzz Osborne & Trevor Dunn (Melvins, Fantomas, Mr. Bungle, King Buzzo [with Trevor Dunn])Ep195: Buzz Osborne & Trevor Dunn (Melvins, Fantomas, Mr. Bungle, King Buzzo [with Trevor Dunn])

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Buzz is from the Melvins, Trevor is most known for Mr. Bungle but has done a *LOT* of stuff. 

Buzz Osborne & Trevor Dunn are today’s guests we talk about “Gift of Sacrifice”, Buzz’s new acoustic record w/Trevor on bass, fantomas! Mr. bungle! tomahawk! trio-convulsant! 50 states in 50 days! Melvins lite! Terry Bozzio! and lots lots more. 

(administration note: this interview occurred several days before the two year old Buzz Osborne appearance with Gavin Mcinnes, and contains no references to that appearance. reaction or aftermath. It is the view of Conan Neutron’s Protonic Reversal that appearance has been addressed and clarified in other media.)

Ep194: Alex Newport (Fudge Tunnel, Nailbomb, Theory of Ruin, Producer)Ep194: Alex Newport (Fudge Tunnel, Nailbomb, Theory of Ruin, Producer)

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Whether it’s the heavy noise-rock of the pioneering Fudge Tunnel of Nottingham, England, the ever enduring side-project Nailbomb with Max of Sepultura, the uncompromising raucousness of Theory of Ruin or the storied and deep career of producing bands as diverse as at.the.drive.in, Death Cab for Cutie, bloc party and godheadSilo. Alex Newport has done a lot. 

Check out this LONG OVERDUE protonic reversal with the man, where we speak at length about all of those bands as well his path into recording proper.

Ep193: Patty Schemel (Hole, Upset)Ep193: Patty Schemel (Hole, Upset)

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Hit So Hard is a book by the incredible Patty Schemel. Patty has led an incredible life, including her time as the groundbreaking (and hard hitting) drummer for the band Hole. This here episode is a walk through of everything from her finding her people in punk rock, the rise of a legit huge band during the alt-gold rush, a fall from grace and getting back up to rediscover what led her to drumming and music in the first place. Strap in! 

Ep192: Phil Manley (Trans Am, Terry Gross, Life Coach)Ep192: Phil Manley (Trans Am, Terry Gross, Life Coach)

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Phil Manley is most known for the incredible band TRANS AM, but he also played in a latter version of the Fucking Champs, plays in Life Coach with Jon Theodore of Mars Volta and QOTSA and is in the awesome Terry Gross! Hear all about Phil’s relocation from east coast to west, a run down for all of the Trans Am records and… jamming with Zack De La Rocha?

It’s been 123 episodes since Phil’s been on the show, clearly a few things have happened since then! DIG IN!

A tribute to Vern RumseyA tribute to Vern Rumsey

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Long before Vern Rumsey recorded my old band Replicator, long before I was crashing at his place on tour. LONG before HHG. I was listening to Unwound. Wearing out my cassette tapes rocking out to Repetition or New Plastic Ideas.

Put simply, they were one of the reasons I play music in the first place. Their unique and iconic sound was so immediate and compelling and it’s forceful presentation inspired me. I always held that in my head and heart, even as we created stuff together and approached things as musical peers. Vern didn’t seem to realize how much Unwound had touched and inspired people, as if Leaves Turn Inside You isn’t one of the best albums ever made in indie rock. Come on!

But Unwound did and he was a big part of that. Vern wasn’t a perfect guy, his demons are well documented, and shouldn’t be ignored. He was an alcoholic, let’s not short sell that.

He sought help and received it, and transcended that gross and destructive addiction for awhile. He dug deep and brought the thunder with us and found a light in the darkness to transcend for.

He was without a doubt the biggest advocate of Household Gods and was experiencing the deep high of creative satisfaction.

I was glad he got to have that. I am glad to have been in his life.

He was one of the most unique and interesting bass players of all time for my tastes, one of a kind. An icon.
I remember watching him play in the unstoppable and incredible Unwound, just bearing down in that inexorable way. Smoking tough the entire time.
A portrait of rock ’n roll cool, a viking.

The world is a sadder and quieter place without him in it and I miss my friend.

Rest in Power,
Vern Rumsey

Playlist:

Unwound – Corpse Pose
Unwound – Valentine Card / Kantina / Were, Are And Was Or Is

Unwound – Demolished
Unwound – Side Effects of Being Tired
Unwound – Broken E-Strings

Unwound – December
Unwound – For Your Entertainment

Oslo of Olympia – Walk The Plank
Blonde Redhead – Water

Unwound – All Souls Day
Unwound – Terminus

Unwound – Lady Elect
Unwound – Envelope

Long Hind Legs – Open Wide
Unwound – Re-Enact the Crime

Unwound – Dragnalus
Unwound – Off This Century

Red Rumsey – Big House
Unwound – Arboretum

Household Gods – Rest In Power (Instrumental)/Unwound – Below The Salt

Ep191: Jennifer Finch (L7)Ep191: Jennifer Finch (L7)

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Jennifer Finch has lived an incredible life. Most known for being 1/4th of the powerful and incredible L7. We talk about photography, records, mindsets, the recording process, leaving L7 and coming back, and lots more. You know, Protonic Reversal stuff. Jennifer doesn’t do many interviews, so it was a blast to talk to her about everything from to Roy Thomas Baker and Voight-Kampff tests to answering machine message tapes that have Kurt Cobain on them.

Ep190: David Pajo (Slint, Papa M, Zwan, Household Gods, Tortoise, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Interpol, Dead Child, Stereolab)Ep190: David Pajo (Slint, Papa M, Zwan, Household Gods, Tortoise, Yeah Yeah Yeahs, Interpol, Dead Child, Stereolab)

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David Pajo has played with everybody from Billy Corgan, Karen O, Neil Hagerty to… well, Conan Neutron. To this day, he’s still most known for being a member of the iconic, influential and genre defining band Slint. Listen in on a bit of all of that as well as talk of DEAD CHILD (the band), Papa M (of course), touring with Yeah Yeah Yeahs and Interpol, a smidgen of talk about Household Gods. The band with David Pajo, Vern Rumsey of Unwound, LKN and uh… another guy. He’s a suicide and motorcycle accident survivor, a master musician and a hell of a nice guy. It’s… David Pajo!

Ep189: Ross Knight (Cosmic Psychos)Ep189: Ross Knight (Cosmic Psychos)

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Australian pub/scum rock legends the Cosmic Psychos have blazed a trail of uncompromising working man’s punk rock, leaving both good times and empty beer cans in their wake for 38 years. The man at that helm is Mr. Ross Knight, a pleasantly rowdy fellow who literally lives on a farm, and is most certainly a bloke you can trust.

Listen in! Go the hack on this episode of Protonic Reversal down under. 

Ep188: A Deer, A Horse (Rebecca, Angela, Dylan)Ep188: A Deer, A Horse (Rebecca, Angela, Dylan)

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NYC Band A Deer A Horse are quarantined, but they did manage to get in some touring first. This is a free wheeling conversation with a young, working co-ed band in the somewhat uniform (and largely male!) genre of noise rock. Best and worst shows, the nature of rock crit. All of that and more! Three very thoughtful and funny folks breaking it down. 

Ep186: Rick Valentin and Rose Marshack (Poster Children, Radio Zero)Ep186: Rick Valentin and Rose Marshack (Poster Children, Radio Zero)

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Rick and Rose have had an incredible history in music, largely with their band the Poster Children. Navigating the original indie label movement, the early 90s gold rush, and the “I like it small” modern indie rock movement. All with an eye towards sustainability and making informed choices towards those goals. Rick and Rose have both appeared before, but this episode focuses on an album by album account, and all the sidebars that entails! It is like a Radio Zero crossover episode.

Ep185: The Culture of Like and Subscribe with Steve AlbiniEp185: The Culture of Like and Subscribe with Steve Albini

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LIKEANDSUBSCRIBE!LIKEANDSUBSCRIBE!DON’TFORGETTOLIKEANDSUBSCRIBE!

It’s ubiquitous, every show and thing out there is trying to work the algorithms to be heard, seen or otherwise recognized. 

This episode is a 1 on 1 talk with Mr. Steve Albini about exactly that. This was meant as a 20 minute episode based on the single topic, but we expanded to other things, including monetization in general, commodification, etc. 

Ep184: Tony Visconti (Producer: David Bowie, T. Rex, Iggy Pop, Thin Lizzy)Ep184: Tony Visconti (Producer: David Bowie, T. Rex, Iggy Pop, Thin Lizzy)

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Tony Visconti is a legend in recording, not just Bowie’s long time producer, but a member of his band in the Man Who Sold the World days. Listen in as we hear tales from almost all eras of Bowie, as well as his work with Marc Bolan/T. Rex, Iggy Pop’s the Idiot, and Thin Lizzy (!). WOW!