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  • Ep252: Chris Brokaw (Come, Codeine, The New Year, Martha’s Vineyard Ferries, Solo)

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    From Come and Codeine, to The New Year and MVF, to his excellent solo albums, Chris Brokaw has done QUITE A BIT. In depth Codeine talk (the unreleased second record?!?), Come through the ages, The New Year origin and more, playing with Clint Conley of Mission of Burma in Consonant, the Martha’s Vineyard Ferries. So much! So much music talk. Oberlin! NY. All that plus a track by track run through of the excellent Puritan record that came out early this year. Let’s do it!

  • Ep251: Eric Fundingsland (“Why Am I Doing This?” Tour Documentary, The Bismarck)

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    Eric of The Bismarck‘s comprehensive documentary on touring “Why Am Doing This?” has been setting the internet on fire! The harsh but hilarious focus on smaller bands, shared experiences, touring etiquette and where adventure can turn to compulsion and trauma. Eric and Conan get into all of the details of creating this wonderful document, what did and didn’t make it in. Unique challenges and pitfalls, and lots of other things. 

  • Ep250: Gerald Casale of DEVO interviews Conan Neutron

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    Yes, you read that right. One of the founders of DEVO suggested turning the tables on Conan for the 7 Year and 250 episode milestone. What, we are going to say no? Although nobody could have predicted that Conan’s mother would be killed in a car crash that week. That is discussed, as well as what set Conan on his creative path. The complicated legacy and catalyst of Clay Wofford, the origin of Conan Neutron & the Secret Friends, Protonic in the time of COVID (a piece of wreckage after the shipwreck), getting on stage in front of people, the genius of Toshi Kasai and asking Dale Crover to be part of Conan Neutron & the Secret Friends. Lessons learned from all of that. New Conan Neutron & the Secret Friends plans, being too angry to write music. Hall monitors and following rules that don’t make sense. Getting out there and so much more. LOOK, it’s Jerry Casale of DEVO talking to Conan Neutron. Cool? Cool.

    (PS: If you want to hear Gerald Casale talk about DEVO, check out: Part 1 and Part 2 of his award winning protonic appearances* and the Something for Everybody 10 year special. More DEVO than you can shake a stick at there.)

    *no actual awards won.

  • Ep249: Hugo Burnham (Gang of Four)

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    Critical thinking. Ephemerality v. Timelessness, Getting drunk on far more expensive wine. Songs of the Free, tracking and revising songs for Return the Gift. Trading creative control vs. bigger bucks. Top of the Pops! (“You’re welcome Duran Duran”) EMI and Warner Brothers, SOLID GOLD and Another Day, Another Dollar. ANTHRAX! The theatre of beating up the microwave. The massive undertaking that is the breathtaking Gang of Four box set 77-81, the tension of Entertainment! and the Band of Brothers of classic Gang of Four, URGH! A music war, PARALYZED, The passing of Andy Gill. Possible new Gang of Four activity. The should have been hit of To Hell With Poverty. Custom Premier kits and A&R. RtJ, Frank Ocean.

  • Ep248: Greg Norton (Hüsker Dü, Gang Font, Porcupine)

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    Power trios! New Day Rising (by Robert Palmer), The upcoming LIVE Husker album HÜSKER DÜ – LONGHORN TONIGHT-Double Album (protonic exclusive), the Savage Young Dü box set. The Mustache. The Great Gildersleeves show and the Replacements not getting paid. Album by album HD memories, Zen Arcade rock opera, 2 track live Reoccuring Dreams. and the Minutemen. Ice Cold Ice, major labels, Hüsker Düdes, Gang Font aging like fine wine and Porcupine.

    Holy moly! It is Greg Norton. 

  • Ep247: Mick Harvey (Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds, The Birthday Party, PJ Harvey, Solo Artist)

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    The ultimate utility player arrives at the protonic reversal. Anita Lane. Serge Gainsbourg interpretations and covers, Autoluminescent and the many aspects of the mighty Rowland S. Howard. THE BIRTHDAY PARTY! Junkyard and not rounding off the corners. Murder Ballads! Red Right Hand! The somewhat contentious Henry’s Dream (and the eventual 5:1 mix and reissue?), The purposeful playing in PJ Harvey’s live band (assembled by personality as much as skill) and so very, very much more. Look: Mick Harvey has done it all. Let’s sit back and appreciate it, right?

  • Ep246: Craig Wedren (Shudder to Think)

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    New single, in a very S2T style fashion. You can blame the Marshall for that. My 90s and photographic time travel. Music cues for Reno 911, composition. Videos and vision. HIT LIQUOR as one of the finest “statement of intent” openers of any album. Shudder as the kind of band that played with fugazi and Pearl Jam. The high water mark of Higher and Higher (Wet Hot American Summer), and the Bowie like brilliance of Maxwell Demon (Velvet Goldmine), the timeliness and necessity of The Sabbath Sessions, all that and MUCH, MUCH MORE!

  • Ep245: Eugene Robinson (Oxbow, Whipping Boy)

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    The mighty Eugene Robinson returns… after…140+ episodes and 4 years? We talk about Oxbow signing with IPECAC for the new record, his recent substack writing, a whole lot about the monumental Oxbow record Thin Black Duke and the Thin Black Book. The difference between BECOMING and being, playing OXBOW music and many other things. We get into the tale of BLACK FACE with Chuck Dukowski of Black Flag, Diamonda Galas capsule reviews and tons more. 

  • Ep244: Elisha Wiesner (The Martha’s Vineyard Ferries, Kahoots)

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    Fookin’ Ferries are back with a kick ass full length record “Suns Out Guns Out“. Hear a bit about being a geographically disparate outfit, playing Brokaw chords, not thinking too hard about what the band sounds like, just sounding like it, the many ways a Ferries song comes together, Greens Fees, and a full on song by song breakdown of the new MVF record.

  • Ep243: Tim Cedar (Part Chimp)

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    Silly riffs and other such tales. The mighty Part Chimp have a brand new record DROOL, available on Wrong Speed in the UK and Europe and on Learning Curve Records in the US. We go through Drool song by song, and talk of Truman’s Water, Live shows, being a cultural magpie. Part Chimp play along videos, sci-fi album covers and having some time to actually write lyrics ahead of time. Lyric book and all! Tune it down to B and listen in. 

  • Ep242: David Yow (The Jesus Lizard, Scratch Acid)

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    It is the one and only David Yow! Singer and frontman of The Jesus Lizard and Scratch Acid. Part time singer of Flipper, Qui… and star of stage and screen! Look, look, look, so much to get to here. We talk about acting. Also, since it is the 30th anniversary of The Jesus Lizard – Goat we go in depth into that record SONG BY SONG. Is Monkey Trick the best Jesus Lizard song? All that, Get Shorty, blues covers of TJL and lots and lots more.

  • Ep241: Andrew “Falco” Falkous (mclusky, Future of the Left, Christian Fitness)

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    Yes, yes! The unmistakable Falco returns to Protonic Reversal. We talk about GATEWAY BAND, the new mclusky* live record that comes with a demo of things to come. Creating and the act of creating. SONGS! SONGS! SONGS! More songs than a song convention? SING IT. They may be ones you may or may not get to hear. Christian Fitness, Future of the Left, back issues. Shipping records. Cardiff –> London —> Bristol. Kelson the dentist. Look, look… the man has been on at least 7 times over the years. There’s a good reason. A DELIGHTFUL CHAT. Chock full of delight, really.

  • Ep240: Cheshire Agusta (Stinking Lizaveta)

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    Cheshire Agusta is a powerhouse drummer and living legend. The long running, uncompromising and utterly relentless Stinking Liz are the pride of West Philly and known the world over. Listen in as this relentless master of the drums and paragon of live performance breaks down the musical conversation where everybody is talking, all of the different exciting drum minutia you might imagine and so very much more. This is a far ranging conversation, and that’s without the antics of Dr. Fly. 

  • Ep239: Matt Parish (Stuffed Spider, Ho-Ag)

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    It is the incomparable Matt Parish! Once front fella, guitarist and singer for the much loved Boston Noiserock band HO-AG, Matt relocated to Nashville, TN and has now put out a field recording/soundtrack style album of composed songs out as Stuffed Spider. Listen in to hear about THAT transition, keeping yourself engaged when you are the only bandmate and some distanced forensics on the very well earned weirdness of the mighty Ho-Ag who meant quite a bit to the people it meant something to. 

  • Ep238: Greg Saunier (Deerhoof)

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    Well hey! It is the third round with Greg Saunier of the incredible and iconic Deerhoof. We left things off last time with just arriving at the Ed Rodriguez era. This episode here is a detailed run through of everything from Offend Maggie to Future Teenage Cave Artists and Love-Lore. 2008-2020. Scorsese’s Vinyl, Awkwafina, installations, the many moods of distance recording. PHEW! All the excellent Deerhoof deets you can shake a shake at.

  • Ep237: Rick Froberg (Hot Snakes, Drive Like Jehu, Pitchfork, Obits)

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    Rick Froberg is a fantastic vocalist, rock ‘n roll front man and a HELL of a visual artist. Join in for a very free wheeling conversation while we talk about, well… all of his various bands, as well as punk rock t-shirt bootleggers, Wire, Metallica, LUAU, Jehu reunions, Rocker blocks, Hot Snakes 1st and 2nd times, Obits and so many, many other things. Come on! Rick Froberg, people!

  • Ep236: John Hastie and Robert Gomez (Nonagon)

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    The mighty NONAGON of Chicago has a new record called They Birds. It isn’t an ep, it is an actual, honest to goodness full length record. It is also a corker! Listen in as we go through the origin of the band, the ever awesome People Live Everywhere and the Last Hydronaut and an in-depth song by song discussion of the new album. Delightful fellas and a delightful talk. #wherestony

  • Ep235: Samantha Paulsen (We Versus The Shark, Mean Queen, Man… or Astro-Man?)

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    Sam Paulsen (Aka: Avona Nova, Sam Shark, etc.) is a fantastic guitarist, singer and songwriter. Most known for being Athens Rock Royalty(TM), she recently pulled up stakes and moved to Bellingham, Washington. Listen is as we talk about reconvening with WVTS, and writing an awesome reunion/comeback record just in time for the pandemic. The rewards and emotional stress of her day job as a nurse during COVID, not being motivated to play guitar. Joining up with MOAM? and going from a fill in member, to a full fledged member. Wild shows, low ceilings, funny times in São Paulo and also a song by song breakdown of Goodbye Guitar by We Versus the Shark. 

  • Ep234: Silkworm’s FIREWATER at 25 (with Tim Midyett)

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    SILKWORM – Firewater! An iconic record at 25. Listen in as Tim Midyett returns to Protonic Reversal to tell stories of every song on this remarkable album. Lyrics, parts, memories, recordings, minutia! 

  • Ep233: Page Hamilton (Helmet, Band of Susans)

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    The man behind the mighty Helmet should need no introduction. Multiple time signatures in the same song and boobs on TV. DROP D. Influence and influencing. ESPs and the Beatles (four geniuses). Prong. AC/DC and Branca! Harsh criticisms and nasty things that can’t be unsaid. Image and the Gold Rush 90s. STRAP IN ON to MEANTIME to BETTY. Composing music for film and tv vs. for a band. SOUNDTRACKING. Taking Playing in David Bowie’s band and the amazing “Hangover Hamilton.” story.

  • Ep232: Danielle de Picciotto (Hackedepicciotto, Solo Artist)

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    It’s been a bit since Danielle has been on the show. Her band, the perpetually touring Hackedepicciotto with Alexander Hacke of Einstürzende Neubauten came on right as COVID was starting up. She has a new solo record called The Element of Love that just came out on Valentine’s Day. Listen in as Conan and Danielle examine the record song by song and get into depth on everything from workflow and mindset, coin-operated trees and the moon looming large. 

  • Ep231: Mike Hard (God Bullies, Thrall, They Never Sleep)

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    God Bullies: legend to some and nearly unknown to others. A unpredictable and engaging rock band whose besuited frontman, Mike, seemed to be coming apart from the inside. Here we talk about conspiracies, building stories around the music (Tommy Shannon, David Livingstone, etc.), and crafting lyrics to weave tales through the madness. The FULL story behind “Pretty on the Inside” on Kill the King, some assorted vignettes of the God Bullies catalog, Some Thrall talk, and They Never Sleep, revisiting old material while not looking too far back to the past. All of this along with the pranksterism of one Ron Asheton on the set of Mosquito, and so much more. It is Mike Hard! REJOICE. 

  • Ep230: Dale Crover (Melvins, Redd Kross, Dale Crover Band)

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    Well hey, hey! It’s none other that the mighty Dale Crover of Melvins returning to Protonic Reversal after 75 episodes or so. Dale has an awesome new solo album called Rat-A-Tat-Tat! on Joyful Noise full of rock ‘n roll goodness and is fresh off the first installment of Melvins TV (Next episode up now!

    We go in depth through every song on the record, with deviations here and there as well as the new Melvins 1983 album “Working With God“, after that… DCB talk, Hostile Ambient Takeover reissue, Redd Kross, cover songs and setlist choices, Lysol, Leif Garrett, Wayne Kramer and… yeah, yeah. Lots of other stuff. 

    Come listen to one of rock’s greatest drummers, and member of Redd Kross, Shrinebuilder, Altamont (yeah, yeah and Conan Neutron & the Secret Friends) and so much more dish it all out.

  • Ep229: Scott Evans (Kowloon Walled City)

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    It has been awhile since Scott was on Protonic last! (just shy of 5 years!) With a new KWC/Ken Mode/Shallow North Dakota benefit split release for SND’s Tony Jacome (who has stage 4 pancreatic cancer), there’s a lot to talk about. Each Kowloon Walled City album is discussed in depth, as well as studio and recording ideas and tactics, pedal building, collaborations and splits, quarantimes and assembly lines and lots, lots more. “Don’t bend notes and don’t play the little box pattern”

  • Ep228: Jeff Byron (Wavebreaker, the Mae Shi, Turbo Lightning)

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    Making the move to politically oriented music with Wavebreaker. A slow and careful gestation period for a new band. and a possibly unorthodox method for getting it to people. Amplifying voices (figuratively and literally) The privilege of punk rock, being challenge by Slim Moon of Kill Rock Stars to be more political, The Mae-Shi! “Surprise music!”, “We Do This All the Time”, putting on a show, Terrorbird and Hllyh. Sobriety becoming a force multiplier for creativity. Composition, sound design and commercial music work… Writing the worst possible thing on purpose (to get to something good). Making a podcast as an avenue to learn more about crypto currency. Starting podcasts and starting an app (BandcasT) to make PODCASTING EASIER. All this and SO. MUCH. MORE. with this wildly creative fella. 

  • Ep227: Joe Mcclune (RLND)

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    RLND (Formerly Roland) is a wonderful SF Bay Area (and beyond) instrumental band with a great new record called Zealand. While their previous record evoked bands like Breadwinner and the Fucking Champs, the new one is more psychedelic, layered and vibey. Join Joe and Conan as they go through each of the tracks on Zealand one by one, and also just generally speak to the journey of an independent band. To say nothing of line-up shifts, riffs, quarantimes and all the rest of it. 

  • Ep226: Josh Newton (Shiner, Glazed Baby, Season to Risk)

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    The incredible Josh Newton hasn’t been on the show for a full episode since episode 79! That’s been almost 5 years. Oops! Lots has happened since then, not the least of which is Shiner recording and releasing their wonderful new record Schadenfreude. There is talk of that, the legacy and music of Shiner, some talk of Glazed Baby (RIP: Andy Newman), lots about Sie Lieben Maschinen, a touch about being a guitar tech/gear hound for a living and a few of “the hits” from last time. Such as playing with Fallout Boy in a field with a rotation stage and learning “Uptown Funk” and playing it on the BBC. It’s Josh Newton, he’s a delight… come on!

  • Ep225: Justin Pearson (The Locust, Dead Cross, Retox, Planet B, 31G)

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    JP is relentless innovator in no compromise noisy business. Well known for the mighty band The Locust (Which didn’t sound anything like Crossed Out), you also may know Retox, or Planet B, or a little group with other members of doing their thing called Dead Cross. If you don’t know that, maybe Swing Kids! The mighty 31G. Busy fella that does a lot of cool stuff. Conan and Justin talk about a lot of things, bringing the DEVO into hardcore, Kool Keith memories that may not exist, soundtracking with beats that are and are not hard enough, some formative experiences in Tijuana, Extreme Elvis, John Waters, and tons and tons more.

  • Ep224: Chris Summerlin and Joe Thompson (Hey Colossus)

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    Wot wot? It’s two of the fine fellows of Hey Colossus, Chris Summerlin and Joe Thompson. Dance/Curses, their THIRTEENTH record, is one of Conan’s favorites of 2020 and so a TransAtlantic quarantimes Protonic Reversal is the order of the day. THRILL to the sounds of every single song on this epic album gone over in forensic detail, DRINK every time Joe claims they won’t be playing one live, or you know… don’t. Fascinating record and band, lots of fun details and process, DIY, etc. Also, some needless (or NEEDED?) digressions into Soundgarden and mumble rap (?!?). Peace and love! Peace and love!

  • Ep223: The Tunnel (Jeff Wagner, Michael Jacobs, Sam Black)

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    Well, look here! It’s SF dark and noisy rockers THE TUNNEL. Join a very special late night quarantimes edition of Protonic to hear these talented lads breakdown every track on their stellar Shapeshifter record (which appeared in the Top 20 of 2020 protonic reversal episode) as well as the Nightfall ep. Listen in to these innovative fellows speak to how they are staying creative during quarantine and where they fit in between the world of spooky death rock and grindy noisy rock. Ladies and gentlemen the hour groweth late, it is the tunnel!

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