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  • Ep106: Keith Brammer (Die Kreuzen)

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    Hail hail! Welcome to the Home of the Protonic Reversal. Today’s episode features another great in-studio guest (man, we’ve been lucky with these!) Keith Brammer, from Die Kreuzen, Wreck, Crime and Judy, et cetera! This wide ranging conversation touches upon such topics as:

    -The weird novelty of listening to one’s own music
    -Production quality and choices (You can do anything, and THAT’S what you want?)
    -Punk as an encompassing thing vs. an ossified set of rules
    -Bands whose sound indicated their record collection
    -Solidifying songs in practice vs. at shows
    -“I guess I can do that one and not feel physically ill.”
    -Starting with no preconcieved notion of the “rules”
    -Working at the top of your skill level, whatever it might be
    -“A wide swath of nonsense and garbage” back then, just like now
    -Touring and booking shows is definitely better with cell phones
    -Lee Ving is the nicest
    -The incredibly bad logic of throwing a shoe at a band
    -Recognizing the opportunity for a situation that will make a great story
    -Telling the Rick Nielsen story again (deal with it)
    -“Gone Away” as the most realized DK song
    -Daydream Nation doesn’t entirely lend itself to being played live
    -The celebrated utility of a dry erase board in the practice space
    -Doing useless demos for Mechanic Records
    -Wasting the money of major labels
    -Wreck, and the Carnival Strippers
    -Picking a movie for your song to be in: PCU vs. Speed
    -Cover choices
    -All roads lead to D.O.A.
    -Discovering bands way later than everyone else
    -Picking bands to open the reunion shows, and doing the reunion shows in general
    -Tom Hazlemeyer’s Bash
    -Creating something that didn’t exist
    -How just being able to fuck with people’s heads is extremely rewarding…

  • Tim Midyett - SilkwormTim Midyett - Silkworm

    Ep105: Tim Midyett (Silkworm, Bottomless Pit, Mint Mile)

    Tim Midyett - Silkworm

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    Good hello, and welcome to another episode of Protonic Reversal! Today’s EXTENDED episode features our in-studio guest, Tim Midyett (of Mint Mile, Bottomless Pit, Silkworm etc.) Our wide-ranging discussion features topics like:

    -the Gerry Todd Show
    -The Dancing Imperative
    -12-string baritone guitars
    -baritones: not guitars, not basses
    -Tablecloth lint
    -not actually sounding like Pavement or much of anything else
    -100% vibe
    -a band in a room, playing together at the same time
    -the combination of people can be more than the sum of the parts
    -solo vs. band
    -Tim’s Electric Banjo Jamboree
    -the incidental concept record: Firewater
    -dealing with bullshit in various ways
    -Missoula, MT
    -Matador Records
    -delineating between projects
    -Justin the excellent pedal steel player
    -Not interfering with what the band brings to the songs
    -getting pickier
    -taking all the most rocking songs off the album
    -Steve Albini’s instincts are the opposite of commercial
    -Modesto is terrible
    -coming from the big city with real amps
    -it’s better to be able to find your community with the internet than it was before, pretty much
    -Seattle in 1991
    -no offense to Cat Butt
    -the touring years
    -easing back on touring to keep the band alive
    -The Bottomless Pit of Partying
    -learning bass via post-punk
    -abstract album cover design indicating the contents
    -New Order dealing with being of Joy Division
    -putting the off topic song on the EP that’s otherwise all about fucking
    -the three good clubs in the world
    -breaking up the band
    -changing strings
    -how Andy fixed Doug Martsch’s guitar
    -Midyett Rub and Tim’s turkey tips
    -the multiple Silkworm tribute bands and the amazing skills of Chris, Chris and Evan
    -if no one cared when you started, no one will care if you don’t stop
    -a weird sloppy mix of Neil Young and speed metal
    -”Man, that’s great, good for me.”…

  • Ep104: Nick Skrobisz - MulticultEp104: Nick Skrobisz - Multicult

    Ep104: Nick Skrobisz (Multicult)

    Ep104: Nick Skrobisz - Multicult

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    (stream and download – Episode 104)Weeeeeeeeeelllllllllllll howdy, folks! It’s time for another groovy installment of Protonic Reversal! In today’s episode, Conan and Josh chat with Nick Skrobisz of the kickass Baltimore band Multicult. Topics include, but are not limited to:

    -Baltimore scene report
    -the Oakland van break-in
    -Katamari Damacy-ing the equipment (a step up from Tetris-ing)
    -Gear as a filler subject
    -the elegance of early Danzig
    -Good band names
    -Indicative artwork
    -Music that doesn’t cater to the audience
    -Getting one over on the world
    -Delivering a series of feelings
    -No, really, Baltimore scene report
    -DC’s proximity effect
    -If ya get hungry…
    -Tour advice/booking plot

  • Ep103: WORK (Joe Cannon, Jeff Brueggeman, Kavi Laud)

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    It’s time for episode 103 of Protonic Reversal! For the second week in a row, we’ve got in-studio guests: the fantastic Milwaukee band WORK. Conan and Josh encourage much nerdy discussion, along the lines of:

    -Numerous and endless band name puns
    -Australian GPS voices
    -Colin Hay
    -Sideshows and local Oakland references
    -Guitar rippers like Devo and St. Vincent
    -Not having any idea how the band will deal with being in two different cities
    -“If we don’t rule, Jeff just starts punching us until we start ruling”
    -“Chisel: Because the Jam broke up”
    -Mean and vicious pop
    -Keeping the record contiguous
    -The album tracks on Thriller
    -Trying to use the least time to record their comp song
    -Joe Lally
    -“How come we don’t have Thursday Thursdays?”
    -Tangin’ the hump
    -Joe’s superpower: Temporarily Benjamin Franklin
    -Domain names
    -Electric Abacus: “Pretty proggy, very formulaic and repetitive”
    -Hassling a song until the most irritating bass line possible brings it together
    -Working it out during smoke and/or shit breaks
    -Evaluating Paul McCartney’s collaborations
    -Quitting the Moody Blues in 1968
    -Confusing Michael Jackson videos
    -The various mixes of Raw Power
    -The Bob James-esque solo records of Max Rebo
    -Running into George Lucas at Starbucks
    -Obsolete format chat
    -What to expect from the new WORK record
    -Eating Popeye’s and watching Popeye
    -All of us admitting we don’t know enough about Milwaukee’s excellent hip hop scene
    -Playing at Bounce right after the wedding ceremony
    -Chicken-greasing the lens
    -Hating stuff that sounds like stuff
    -Audiences love psychedelic freak-outs sometimes
    -Tracking the size of a city via pedal steel players
    Available to franchise”
    -Mittster Mittster
    -Strictly fancy
    -Josh is revealed to be a character played by Michael Winslow
    -Method Snacking
    -Lots of T. Rex discussion
    -Heading out on a cuddly note
    -Smash that F5, keep it refreshed…

  • Ep101: Fox Face (Mary Joy, Lindsay DeGroot, Lydia Chioda, Chopper Chioda)

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    t’s time for a FREEWHEELING episode of Protonic Reversal! Conan and Josh have guests live in the studio: the most excellent Milwaukee band Fox Face! Hear such seemingly endless digressions such as:

    -Josh’s mic antics
    -Fox Face meets Dirtnap
    -Rock ‘n’ roll maternity leave
    -Conan’s most relaxing episode ever
    -Banana and the Handplant
    -the garage rock scene…?
    -Magick? Like from the X-Men?
    -Lindsey watching the Craft a bunch
    -Always dicking on purpose
    -Following a songwriting path
    -Is Britney Spears listening right now?
    -The long history of Fox Face and its members
    -The (not really) fairweather drummer
    -Heterogeneity within genres and being classed as a “girl band”
    -Fox Face’s shock at having a web site
    -Tour talk
    -Writing lyrics in a Trump world
    -Mary’s two-drink stage banter
    -Favorite bands in the world scene
    -The Mundane Epiphany
    -Tectonics talk
    -Fantasy show lineups, but achievable
    -Operation: Mind Spiders
    -The thing you play in the van that everyone else hates
    -An extended discussion of Christian rock
    -Conan digs deep to identify the annoying Aerosmith songs
    -Kyle Motor’s cute cat
    -The asset of a sympathetic engineer
    -Being a parent and continuing to be creative

    This episode is very silly, but it’s very fun, and Fox Face is one of our very favorites. Enjoy!

    Fox Face – Clever Girl
    Fox Face – Nasty Woman
    Fox Face – Hiawatha
    Shellac – The End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep101: Lindsey Charles (The Cell Phones)

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    It’s Episode #101 of Protonic Reversal! Your hosts, Conan and Josh, are in a sour mood, due to living in the world. But never fear, a phone call with Lindsey Charles of the Cell Phones cures what ails them! After some discussion about Refused (overrated? Or rated just right?) and the fascinating concept of changing a band’s structure by adding in another ill-fitting member out of rock history.

    Topics in this interview include:

    -Lindsey’s talented brother
    -The curse of buying more than you intended during any Target visit
    -Everyone loving the Cell Phones’ “West Coast”
    -People connecting differently to the same song
    -Why don’t we discuss pregnancy?
    -Wielding emotions like a weapon
    -Playing for unexpecting crowds
    -The puzzle of songwriting
    -Selling the album title
    -Impressing one’s dad
    -53% (Overrun)
    -It’s not a joke, sometimes
    -the Kool Aid Man full of period blood
    -Mismatched bookings
    -Well-matched bookings
    -Encounters with Lesley Gore
    -The outlet of performance

    By the end of the episode, Conan and Josh are on Cloud Nine. We think you will be, too!c

    The Cell Phones – West Coast
    The Cell Phones – You Make Me Say No
    The Cell Phones – 53% (Overrun)
    Shellac – The End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep100: Chris Frey! Christian Lembach! Sohrab Habibion! Josh Newton! Dale Crover! Tom Hazelmyer! Andrew “Falco” Falkous! Rick Valentin! (not) Steve Albini!

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    Oh, shit, it’s the hundredth episode of PROTONIC REVERSAL! Thrill as Conan, Josh, and special in-studio guest Jeff Moody wrangle GUEST AFTER GUEST for two and a half hours! Get ready to hear such scintillations as:

    -Chris Frey on navigating medical crises on a European tour!
    -Christian Lembach on stage rocking with a bum knee!
    -Sohrab Habibion on the new SAVAK album!
    -Josh Newton on Glazed Baby and mysterious Bandcamp apperances!
    -Dale Crover on bootleg shoes and Siri!
    -Tom Hazelmeyer on carrot cake!
    -Rick Valentin on album sequencing and punk rock professorin’!
    -Andrew Falkous on parenthood and moving to London as a grownup!
    -NOT Steve Albini!

    And, believe it or not, EVEN MORE! (Although not more guests, tho, that’s all the guests.) Two and a half hours of entertainment and artistic motivation awaits you, friend!

    Porch – Dickhead
    Whores – I see you are also wearing a black t-shirt
    Savak – Alive in Shadows
    Shiner – The Egg
    Sie lieben maschinen – meat is meat, love is murder
    Dale Crover – Bad Move
    Future of the Left – Eating for None
    Poster Children – Blatant Dis
    Shellac – Steady As She Goes
    Shellac Crow
    Shellac – The End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep099: Rick Sims (Didjits, Gaza Strippers)

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    Yes, yes! It’s true, Conan and Josh talk to the one and only Rick Sims of the mighty Didjits. It’s in the second hour, so strap in for some first rate entertainment or music or get that fast forward button ready.
    -Just Fred (the record and the dude)
    -The Cassette Revival
    -The Killer + Tony Clifton
    -Time Bomb Tom
    -Touch & Go 25
    -Didjits Reunion(s)
    -Solos and quick hooks.
    -The Gaza Strippers as a 4 course meal
    -Writing Songs for the Supersuckers Record
    -The Lee Harvey Oswald Band are assholes.
    -Rey Wesham
    -The Offspring
    -Sound Design for Theatre
    Songs played:

    Fred Schneider – Whip
    Didjits – (Mama Had A) Skull Baby
    Didjits – Max Wedge
    Piper – Who’s Your Boyfriend
    Mr. Bungle – The Stroke
    Lee Harvey Oswald Band – Surrender Earthlings
    Didjits – Under the Christmas Fish

    Didjits – Plate in My Head
    Supersuckers – Born with a Tail
    Fred Schneider – Bulldozer

    Shellac – The End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep098: Eugene Robinson (Oxbow, Whipping Boy, Sal Mineo)

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    What if Yella from NWA sang the hit of Yellow the band (of “Oh YEAAAAAAH!” fame), that and a few other things before Conan and Josh dive right into the remarkable Eugene Robinson and his many bands, projects, sojourns and creative exploits. Eugene conducts himself with alacrity and poise and a good time is had by all!

    -The origins of Sal Mineo (The band)
    -Making art worth a good God damn
    -spending 12 hours in France and playing a show
    -not playing where you oughtn’t
    -Advocating the encyclopedia of the voice.
    -Singing what your soul calls out
    -Old HC fellas that don’t really “get” Oxbow.
    -Charating a musical course with no reference points
    -Shit talkers being good people to have around / speaking honestly
    -Getting hit on by one’s idols.
    -the equivalent of automatic writing.
    -martial arts.
    -“Hey Frenchy, put the chainsaw down”
    – Compartmentalizing “Fight”
    -Writers vs. People who can write.
    -To Arms, two legs and the magic of subtlety.
    -Whatever happened to Dukowski
    -Cross-Cultural experience vs cross-class experience.
    -Where the stories come from

    Songs played:

    Oxbow – Clean Well-Lit Place
    Xiu Xiu – Sharp Dressed Man
    Sal Mineo – the Primary Bell

    Black Face – I Want to Kill You
    Oxbow – The Finished Line

    Shellac – The End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep097: Mike Blaha (The Blind Shake, BLAHA, Shadow in the Cracks)

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    On this episode, Conan and Josh have a chat with Mike Blaha of the Blind Shake and countless variations thereupon! Topics include, but are not limited to:

    -collaborations and being open
    -subbing in bands mid-tour
    -Blind Shake vs. solo writing
    -air-drumming auditions
    -the Blaha health regimen
    -surfin’ with John Reis
    -working through new songs on the road
    -“Play ‘Hurrican!'”
    -acoustic vs. electric
    -“I watch Netflix as much as the next guy”
    -expressing more emotion
    -attempting to book a show before this podcast ends
    -living in small boxes
    -joining Castle Face Records without changing the band’s sound
    -the equal desire for safety and adventure
    -keeping ears open to young bands
    -the conceptual Blind Shake

    Then Mike had to go load out for his solo show, so we ended up talking not exactly about Twin Peaks (although there are a few spoilers if you haven’t watched through episode 8 yet) but more about fandom and experiencing it real-time.…

  • J. RobbinsJ. Robbins

    Ep096: J. Robbins (Jawbox, Burning Airlines, Channels)

    J. Robbins

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    Conan and Josh kick off the show with a brief discussion of big shows from the past weekend, then have a great chat with J. Robbins! Topics include:

    The songwriting process:

    -Bendy guitar loop overdubs
    -Reviving/rewriting old songs and playing acoustic shows
    -Shading confessional songwriting
    -The integrity of a band and its members vs. being the sole songwriter
    -Going out on a musical limb
    -Collaborative projects
    -Using the studio as a compositional tool

    Stories of various recording projects:

    -The great moment when a recording project sounds like a record
    -the Dismemberment Plan
    -What a producer’s role is and/or what it should be
    -the Monorchid
    -Hand-editing 2-inch tape

    The grand story of his brief time playing with Scream:

    -“J., EVERYBODY knows ‘Ballroom Blitz.'”

    Jawbox’s influence, and how influence works in general:

    -Creating your own culture

    We almost entirely avoided discussing politics!

    Music played:

    Jawbox – FF=66
    J. Robbins – Our Own Devices
    Jawbox – Won’t Come Off

    Shellac – End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep095: Brian Pennington (Lardo, Megamaul, Radiant Republic)

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    on striking a chord with Lardo beyond friend rock, the intergal usage of the Bit Commander pedal to the Lardo “sound”, playing with the murderer’s row of bands at All Tomorrow’s Impeachments, why Lardo is really 70s dumb riff rock (seriously?!), motivation and inspiration, what record labels mean in 2017 and so much more.

    Interview starts at 16:00 or so.

    Music played:
    Arcwelder – What Did You Call It That For?
    Lardo – Nothing
    Lardo – Watch Him (Watch Her)
    Lardo – Swimmer…

  • Duane Denison - Jesus Lizard, Tomahawk, DK3Duane Denison - Jesus Lizard, Tomahawk, DK3

    Ep094: Duane Denison (Jesus Lizard, Tomahawk, DK3)

    Duane Denison - Jesus Lizard, Tomahawk, DK3

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    What is there to say? Duane Denison is a living legend. We talk DK3, Jesus Lizard, Robert Fripp, technique and process, innovation and inspiration. Did we mention living legend?

    Interview starts at 8:30

    Music played:
    DK3 – Traveling Salesman

    Jesus Lizard – Bloody Mary
    Jesus Lizard – Then Comes Dudley

    Shellac – End of Radio (Closing Theme)…

  • Ep093: Hammer, Chisel, Fall – Anti-Inauguration Day Jukebox

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    Pretty straightforward.
    Screw that dude.

    Dead Kennedys – Kill the Poor
    The Crucifucks – Hinkley Had a Vision
    Poster children – the leader
    The Thermals – God and Country

    Minutemen – Fascist / Joe McCarthy’s Ghost / Paranoid Chan

    Shellac – All the Surveyors
    Minutemen – This Ain’t No Picnic
    Iron Maiden – Run to the Hills
    Sleater-Kinney – Combat Rock

    fugazi – smallpox champion
    BABYLAND – Omaha
    Minutes – Raise our Fists Up

    Pete Seeger – We Shall Overcome
    Black Flag – Rise Above

    Public Enemy – Fight the Power
    the Beatles – Revolution (Big Rock version)

    Dirty Three – Everything’s Fucked / Hammer, Chisel, Down/fall collage

  • Ep092: Protonic Reversal Top 10 Records of 2016

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    It was really hard to get down to 10 for this.
    Anybody that says there’s no good music out there has rocks in their head.

    The list:

    1. Beat Drun Juel – suppressor
    2. Whores – Gold
    3. Nocturnal Habits – New Skin for Old Children
    4. Helms Alee – Stillicide
    5. The Cell Phones – No
    6. Future of the Left – the Peace and Truce of Future of the Left
    7. Blind Shake – Celebrate Your Worth
    8. Savak – Best of Luck in Future Endeavors
    9. The rutabega – unreliable narrator
    10. Christian fitness – this taco is not correct

    5 songs that are not on the top 10 records of 2016

    1. Melvins – Decay of Lying
    2. Big Business – Fathers Day
    3. Maple Stave – Call Sign Spider
    4. Iggy Pop – Paraguay
    5. John Congleton & the Nighty Nite – You are Facing the Wrong Way


    10: Christian fitness – this taco is not correct
    Avid listeners and fans of the show will probably remember… probably remember? How could you forget. Episode 89 with Falco, making a record breaking 4th apperance on protonic, this is a great record. I find that a lot of people don’t know it so much. It’s all pretty much Falco, Jack from Future of the Left, Mclusky plays drums. It’s one of the best records that came out this year, that people haven’t paid that much attention that like this kind of music.
    Reggie Has Asbestos Training

    9. The rutabega – unreliable narrator
    This is their second record, the Unreliable Narrator, a little less epic than Brothers The Lights Don’t Work which has been their classic go-to, but the songs are as solid as can be, and very cool. I think you will appreciate it very much, if you haven’t heard it… you really need to. I’m playing one of the lesser known ones here. There is a very specific thing, there’s emotions! there’s feelings! it’s not just noise all the time. You can find it at Comedy Minus One, they are good people, making good music from South Bend Indiana. I happened to pick the one that is the darkest most emotional journey on the record, that’s how we do at Protonic Reversal.
    I dig this one, this is the moody closer. I’ve Been the Armour

    Also find them at Comedy Minus One
    Josh and Garth appeared on the show all the way back in episode 33!

    8. Savak – Best of Luck in Future Endeavors
    This is a supergroup of sorts, members of Obits and Virgin Islands. I quite like it, I don’t know exactly what I was expecting but it’s a really good hot rocking good time. Episode 84 featured Sohrab of Savak, Obits, Edsel. This record came out early in the year, and I feel like it made a big impact with folks, but I feel like people aren’t giving it the deference it deserves. There’s an almost new wave-y element to it that i’m really into, but this is some serious rock music at the same time.

    Also available on Comedy Minus One

    7. Blind Shake – Celebrate Your Worth
    One of the best bands loosely affiliated with the new garage rock “movement”, they are on their own thing, their own trip. The Blind Shake! Possibly my favorite since Seriousness. Just excellent stuff all around. This one is on Goner.
    This one is a little less noisy, and a little more DEVO from Pluto.

    6. Future of the Left – the Peace and Truce of Future of the Left
    I feel like the last few Future of the Left records are divisive for some reason, people seem to be really into them or not into them at all. And they don’t give them a chance. They dont’ give it a chance. This is a band that keeps getting better, I frankly like them better than mclusky. Which is heretical for a lot of folks and I don’t care. It’s a busy world, out there. You should make time for this one.

    Again Episode 89 for Falco’s last appearance

    5. The Cell Phones – No
    Believe it or not, I find this band a little hard to describe. Truth told, they sound like themselves, but when pressed I say they sound like Tina Turner fronting NoMeansNo, Freddie Mercury fronting DFA1979, Sharon Jones (of Sharon Jones and the Dap Kings) fronting the Minutemen, none of that makes much sense, but it gets you to a starting point. The record is called NO, two words. NO. How do you talk about something like this without just saying: “this kicks ass, shut up stupid, and listen!”. It sounds like it’s from another planet, but I mean that as a compliment!

    4. Helms Alee – Stillicide
    Brace Yourself.
    Great band, one of those bands that are just difficult to describe but are top to bottom wonderful. A unique voice in heavy music, melodic, epic, adventerous.
    Go find them at Sargent House

    3. Nocturnal Habits – New Skin for Old Children
    This is Justin Trosper and Sara from Unwound, with some Two Ton Boa action in there as well. It’s amazing, I love this record, i’ve listened to it lots. One of the deeper cuts on this one. Lush as hell and great stuff. Soothing in it’s way.
    An alternate universe sequel to Leaves Turn Inside you by Unwound.

    Of course Justin Trosper was also on last episode.

    2. Whores – Gold

    Two time guest on the show. Last appearance was episode 90. This is off the record Gold. It’s a bomber. They do a thing that is heavy and noisy, kind of reminds me of KARP-esque things. It’s really good. You can also get the back catalog here. Also worthy! They are receiving a lot of attention right now and it’s a very cool, gravity defying thing.

    1. Beat Drun Juel – suppressor
    You probably don’t know it, and that’s ok. A Chicago band. I slept on listening to this for way too long because I could not remember the name. Which really isn’t that difficult. Once you get it, it’s fine… but you have to get it. This is fucking awesome. It’s PJ Harvey, it’s noiserock, it’s all those things… and it’s own thing.

    So those are the top 10 records of the years.
    I also am tossing in top 5 songs that were not on those records.

    1. Melvins – Decay of Lying

    Stiff competition this year, one of the two Melvins record that came out this year. Basses Loaded, the other being Mike and the Melvins with Mike Kunka of godheadSilo. Basses loaded has a bunch of different bass players on it, and it’s really cool. The lead off track is one of my favorite Melvins songs in awhile, it’s the big Alice Cooper side of what they do, and I like it.

    2. Big Business – Fathers Day

    They’re back as a two piece with a kickass record. It’s got riffs, if you know… you’re into that kind of thing. The record is called Command Your Weather.

    3. Maple Stave – Call Sign Spider

    I had this record for awhile, listened to it and enjoyed it. But this song is the business. From the incredibly politically contentious state of North Carolina. Last song on the record, I like them a lot. Don’t know why it took me so long, frankly. This one gets real close to emo, real close to something i’m not comfortable with at all, but stays on the right side.

    4. Iggy Pop – Paraguay

    One that might actually be on a few lists outside of the Nerd-o-verse. Post-pop Depression, it’s a good good record. I liked it a lot, I didn’t top 10 like it though, I think it has some weak spots and some of lyrics kind of blow. One of my favorite rock ‘n roll people of all time. But it’s true, certainly my favorite Iggy Pop record in years and years though. Kind of his goodbye record, it’s interesting to think of there not being an Iggy Pop around anymore making music. I think it’s kind of awesome that it’s in the last song lyrically too.
    Oh! Do yourself the favor and follow Iggy Pop on instagram to see him hanging out with his bird, it’s amazing.

    5. John Congleton & the Nighty Nite – You are Facing the Wrong Way

    FEEL THOSE CHIMES SUCKA! I love this record, but there are only so many slots. I listen to this one a lot actually. Famed producer John Congleton and ex-pAperchAse

    Christian Fitness – Reggie has Asbestos Training
    the rutabega – I’ve Been the Armor
    SAVAK – Alive in Shadows
    The Blind Shake – Apostle Island
    Future of the Left – Running All Over the Wicket
    The Cell Phones – You Make Me Say No
    Helms Alee – Tit to Toe
    Nocturnal Habits – New Skin
    Whores – I See You Are Also Wearing A Black T-Shirt
    Beat Drun Juel – Hugger

    John Congleton & the Nighty Nite – You Are Facing the Wrong Way
    Iggy Pop – Paraguay
    Maple Stave – Call Station Spider
    Big Business – Father’s Day
    Melvins – Decay of Lying

    The Blind Shake – Reasonable World

    Shellac – The End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep091: Justin Trosper (Unwound, Survival Knife, Nocturnal Habits)

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    (stream and download – Episode 91)

    Fall records and making things far away from people. Making leaves as an analog recording right in the middle of the digital revolution. Soundbreaking and process change , digital as 4 track, and recording with none of the people in the same room, live bands merging, skipping the “getting going” phase, numero group reissues as nerd wish fulfillment, revisiting the discography, outsiders looking back with rose colored glasses, the cult of instant reaction, post-hardcore, legacy and just doing it, two ton boa , touring during election2016 and Unwound touring during 9/11, politics in music and the value of the personal, survival knife: wha’ happen?, replikants, blade runner remake Brandt on the leaves tour, last Unwound tour as rocky movie and so much more.

    interview begins at 11:40

    Songs Played:

    Nocturnal Habits – Good Grief
    Nocturnal Habits – New Skin

    Nocturnal Habits – Ecophilia
    Unwound – Dragnalus
    Unwound – Terminus

    Shellac – the End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Christian Lembach - WhoresChristian Lembach - Whores

    Ep090: Christian Lembach (Whores.)

    Christian Lembach - Whores

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    (stream and download – Episode 90)
    Christian returns to Protonic Reversal to talk about the new whores record GOLD, online presence and communication, bullshit filters, the sacrifices and choices one makes for “living the life” and the trade-offs that ensue, the deep affinity and friendship that comes from a shared esoteric interest, Harrison Ford, quality merch, PRF BBQ Louisville, self awareness and SO. MUCH. MORE.

    Songs Played:

    Whores. – Baby Teeth
    Whores. – Playing Poor
    Shellac – the End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep089: Andrew “Falco” Falkous (Future of the Left, mclusky, christian fitness)


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    (stream and download – Episode 89)
    The enigmatic and clever Falco returns for a record breaking 4th appearance! In a brief pause in the opus making, capturing thoughts you didn’t know you had yet, record releases based on people’s commute, new christian fitness! New Future of the Left! guitar pedals and the “that” pedal, Brexit and losing the moral high ground, Doing it lots and know there are ups and downs, dabbling in other art forms, liking “the good bands”, song titles, mclusky incursions, money for worthy causes and paying with cred, relocating to London, Bob Marley-implied welshman, lineup shifts, Twin Peaks (So good or no good?), nuance and guileless borderline stalkers, psychic anguish NOT helping the creative process, Hecklers, accents, 16% egregious dickheadery, political correctness vs. treating people with respect, Men’s Rights Activists and manufacturing fury, Julia’s solo record and Frank Black singing on it, why you do NOT hear Falco guest appearances, Gold Plated Twat Wagons, etc. You know the drill.

    Interview begins at 12:20
    Songs Played:

    christian fitness – Reggie has asbestos training
    Future of the Left – Back When I Was Brilliant

    Future of the Left – Running All Over the Wicket
    Shellac – the End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep088: Brenna Betts (Goodbye Brenna!)

    episode88 - Brenna Betts

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    (stream and download – Episode 88)

    It’s the end of an era! Protonic Reversal cohost Brenna Betts is moving away. She gets the royal send off with a crazy go nuts hell ass episode that includes… well, a lot of stuff. Dying dogs, the sound of silence. Measurements of synth. The pre-requisite political talk, Coywolves, medication side effect commercials, Evan Gritzon: scene of 1, skeletons, There are remembrances, recollections, opining and other things. Ridley Scott: “That Never Happened.” Nonsense and epiphany, navalgazing. Farewell Brenna we will miss you.

    Whores. – I’m an Amateur At Everything
    Motherfucker – Carl Sagan’s Ghost
    Vibrolas – You Can’t Rock in Flip Flops
    Christian fitness – happiness is not for amateurs
    Red Fang – Prehistoric Dog
    Helms Alee – Dream Long
    Multicult – Stop Calling
    Nocturnal Habits – Good Grief
    War Brides – Shark
    Shellac – End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep087: Jeff Byron/Dana Poblete (Batwings Catwings)
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    (stream and download – Episode 87)

    Jeff and Dana from Batwings Catwings talk about their new ep Coast to Coast and the experience of being a poppy, but noisy band. The differences between Turbo Lightning and Batwings Catwings, EPs over albums and doing almost every piece of it DIY. Writing inspiration and influence and touring Japan for shows or silly videos. Jeff speaks a bit about producing music for shows and eliminating the excuse of writer’s block. He also talks a bit about his time in the Mae-Shi and let’s it drop that there will be a one off reunion of that band as a benefit for the legendary all-ages venue the Smell.

    As a bonus! Check out the Protonic Reversal EXCLUSIVE download of 1000 volts, available for a limited time.

    Batwings Catwings – Totally Outrageous
    Batwings Catwings – Coast to Coast

    Batwings Catwings – 1000 Volts
    the Mae-shi – Run to Your Grave
    Turbo Lightning – Faster Than Light
    The Mae Shi – Power to the Power Bite Two
    John Congleton & The Nighty Nite – Until It Goes

  • Ep086: Mike Upchurch (The Hotbox)

    Ep086: Mike Upchurch (The Hotbox)

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    (stream and download – Episode 86)

    Mike Upchurch of the Hotbox! Comes into the Radio NOPE world HQ to talk about heavy jams, and finding the underground NOT through punk rock. Politics are discussed, jokes are cracked and a good time is had by all.

    Melvins – Choco Plumbing
    Tweak Bird – Greens

    Melvins – #2 Pencil
    Helms Alee – Crystal Gale / New West

    The Cell Phones – You Make Me Say No

    Torche – Charge of the Brown Recluse

    Shellac – End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep085: Bob Hannam/Ryan Sutherby (Melvins Documentary)

    Ep085: Bob Hannam/Ryan Sutherby (Melvins Documentary)

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    (stream and download – Episode 85)

    The Colossus of Destiny: A Melvins Tale. It’s a documentary film by Bob Hannam and Ryan Sutherby, two first time filmmakers who dedicated years of their lives to compile the story of such a resilient and enigmatic group. Listen in as Bob and Ryan speak about the trials and the successes of making the film, what to include and what to leave out in a career that spans so many years and what has made the Melvins such an endearing and engaging subject over the years.

    Melvins – The Decay of Lying


    Melvins – the Water Glass
    Melvins – Dr. Mule
    Shellac – the End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Photo by Peter Gannushkin / DOWNTOWNMUSIC.NETPhoto by Peter Gannushkin / DOWNTOWNMUSIC.NET

    Ep084: Sohrab Habibion (Savak, Obits, Edsel)

    photo by Peter Gannushkin / DOWNTOWNMUSIC.NET

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    (stream and download – Episode 84)

    Conan and Brenna talk with the talented guitarist/singer about what constitutes a headphone record, your own genre of badass, punk rock and rules, the Damned and “hard goth”, Legos, confirmation bias, and feedback loops, taxonomic system for music, pen pals, zines and letting things reveal themselves over time, staying social and other people’s stories, recruiting your boss to play bass and opening up space, naming your band after the secret police, band names and history vs. art, collectives and drummers being your kids teacher, the end of Obits, and best of luck in future endeavors. Artisanal, small batch music and culture, PRF Props and more. EVERYTHING MUST BE AWESOME!

    All this guest awesomeness and:
    actual nervous breakdowns, Tahoe and complete changes in life, Conan Doesn’t identify as a tech person and needs to use emojis more, Evan Gritzon and “You Can’t Download Coffee”, Glory Hole Coffee and the Art of Murder, PRF West wrap up.

    Interview starts at 29:18

    Savak – Alive in Shadows



    Savak – Split Decision
    Obits – I’m Closing In



    Savak – Knock Don’t Run
    Shellac – the End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep082: DJ Hostettler (Unintimidated: Wisconsin Musicians Against Scott Walker)


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    (stream and download – Episode 82)

    A Protonic Reversal special with the mighty DJ Hostettler (Ifihadahifi, Body Futures, etc.) and his Unintimidated: Wisconsin Musicians Against Scott Walker project/culture jam. Conan and DJ talk about the Wisconsin governor and all the ways he is terrible and get to the bottom of what leads so many bands to come together against him. Who says protest music is dead? Get mad!

    Tyranny is Tyranny – Three Point Program to Destroy Wisconsin
    Fowlmouth – Too Tired to Riot

    Body Futures – Right To Work
    Haunted Heads – 285 Feet Tall
    Drillers – Starving

    Holy Shit! – How About ‘no’, Scott?
    Ifihadahifi – Bring Back the Guillotines
    Ifihadahifi – Imperial Walker

    Shellac – the End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep081: Brendan Canty (fugazi, Deathfix, Burn to Shine)

    Brendan Canty - fugazi - episode81
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    (stream and download – Episode 81)

    Quick political check in with Drumpf calling for punishments for abortion, then it’s on with Brendan Canty! 31:00 for the over eager.
    Live soundtracks, Brent Green, fugazi children, the fluidity of instant sharing, the lack of endless labor, the arduous wait for a physical release, lots of stuff “out there” these days, sticking it out, relationship with the music as a band and with the fans, on hanging out and NOT being fugazi, records taking a long time and the internal metrics for what it takes, fugazi as cultural shorthand for Conan, Burn to Shine Atlanta, Louisville and beyond, Batman vs. Superman, Zack Snyder is a hack and Embrace the Serpent.

    Songs played:
    Lardo – Gunmetal Eyes
    fugazi – Public Witness Program
    Bob Mould – Circles

    Deathfix – Low Laying Dreams
    fugazi – Brendan #1
    Deathfix – Better Than Bad

  • Ep080: Sean Kirkpatrick (Nervous Curtains, The pAperchAse)


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    (stream and download – Episode 80)

    Being in a synth band in a world of guitars. The Low Defender ep, Abba and Van Halen covers, being a song based synth band, from piano to synths, demos and writing, Is Texas a rough place to be a synthy band?, crazy Texas politicians, circles of shared interests and bias reinforcement, music discovery then and now, rhythm fascination and remixes.

    Nervous Curtains – PMA
    Nervous Curtains – CWII.2

    Lardo – Black Holes
    Nervous Curtains – Light up the Sky (Van Halen)

    Nervous Curtains – Parody
    Nervous Curtains – Low Defender

    Nervous Curtains – the Visitors (Abba)
    Le Butcherettes – Stab My Back
    Nervous Curtains – Krautdog
    Nervous Curtains – Devastator

  • Ep079: Josh Newton (Shiner, Glazed Baby, Season to Risk) -pt2


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    (stream and download – Episode 79)

    Interview at 30 minutes.

    auto updates, ipad as alarm clock, “waking up is hard to do”, Part 2 with Josh Newton (30 minute mark)

    Shiner shows. “Shiner and Chill”, music vs. delivering pizza, on joining and quitting From Autumn to Ashes, “I love you guys, but i’m done”, Conan’s Dwarves story. Working for SNL, Falling in with Fall Out Boy, playing “uptown funk” with little notice, Houston rodeo, The Damned Things, blowing it with Dave Grohl, the Anthrax dudes, JUNE GLOOM, Aluminati and pedals, Wiz Khalifi and Keith Levene. deleting facebook, politics, etc. illusion of action. ALL THIS AND MORE, NOW IT CAN BE TOLD!

    Shiner – Play Dead
    Generalissimo – Pipe City
    Sie Lieben Maschinen – The Man Laughs
    Megamaul – Tunnel Rat
    Shiner – Andalusia

    Sie Lieben Maschinen – Premier cru
    Roomrunner – Bait Car

    Sie Lieben Maschinen – Should have looked in the mirror.
    Shiner – Surgery


  • Ep078: Scott Evans/Jon Howell (Kowloon Walled City)


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    (stream and download – Episode 78)

    Kowloon Walled Cities and Roman cities, recording, the symbiosis of antisleep and sharkbite, Tigon and Puig Destroyer, Grievances and the delayed reaction of a “new” record, Less Art, and being identified by name in the San Jose Mercury News, patience and letting it stretch, song based and not “riff based”, Dead Rider, prom songs and stairway to… ? part salads and riff opportunities, unleashing the kraken, rules based music listening, literal music in commercials, opportunities and ceding control, SCION, Guilty pleasures and taking the time to hate things, allegory and storytelling in songs, on children and the future, Unwound, Shiner, Josh Newton and Sie Lieben Maschinen, Snailface (the Blues based Id of KWC), RPM challenge, drummer changes and more.

    Kowloon Walled City – Your Best Years
    Puig Destroyer – Controlled Violence

    Kowloon Walled City – White Walls
    Kowloon Walled City – Daughters and Sons

    Sie Lieben Maschinen – Clever Work
    Snailface – Skin Walker

    Shellac – The End of Radio (Closing Theme)

  • Ep077: Jason Myers (Author: A Sad History of Beautiful Nostalgia, Exit Here, The Mission)


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    (stream and download – Episode 77)

    Author Jason Myers returns to Protonic Reversal to talk about his new book A Sad History of Beautiful Nostalgia, on being a San Francisco character, Barmuda-Bearmuda Triangle, Going your own way, the potential drudgery of success and candor not paying for burritos. Also: rights of first refusal, “Enter There” and the Boss, Iowa and it’s progressive streak, Nostalgia for times that never were, Capital failure, fear to fly, Turkey gentrification, The fetishization of Nostalgia, snakes in a name, creative control, desperate innocence of “Run the Game”, characters that are harder to “buy in” with and digging deep.

    Conan Neutron & the Secret Friends – Casually intense (Opening theme)

    Big Business – Just as the Day Was Dawning
    400 Blows – The Root of Our Nature

    the Poison Control Center – Pacific Sunrise.
    the Poison Control Center – Torpedoes on Tuesday

    Drive Like Jehu – Luau

    Shellac – the End of Radio (closing theme)

  • Ep076: Tim Green (The Fucking Champs, Nation of Ulysses, Louder Studios)


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    (stream and download – Episode 76)

    Mortality themes, too soon for Bowie? Palin endorses Trump and vomit ensues, metaphorical puppets. Then we talk with Tim Green about naming your bands after amps or other things in the room, the rise of Louder Studios and moving to Grass Valley, destination recording, writing ridiculous parts for your bandmates, on Josh leaving the Champs, looking for a new DRUMMER, and having Phil Manley join. Timesharing with other bands, the breakup, Boyjazz, The Young, the Young Ginns, Nation of Ulysses and new kids disccovering it every year, on *NOT* visiting Steve in Bali, NOU reunion thoughts, times and places, Melvins shows and much more.

    Interview begins at 32:00 minute mark

    The Fucking Champs- valkyrie is dying
    The Fucking Champs-Extra Man

    The Fucking Champs-You’ve Got a Thirst, Portland
    The Fucking Champs-What’s a Little Reign?

    Shellac – The End of Radio (Closing Theme)

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